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Sedans Acura TL Acura TL vs Lexus IS 350
447 messages, Last post on May 30, 2007 at 9:42 AM
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Replying to: ggesq (Sep 01, 2006 9:12 am) Why are people trying to compare the IS350 with TL's, or G35's, etc. Lexus and BMW consider each other as competitors. So in reality its $3-5K less expensive than a comparably equipped 335. Ok so great it doesn't handle as good but then its 10x more reliable, just as quick (saw a stock one repeatedly run mid-to-low 13's in the qtr mile), and provides more luxury. You sit in an Acura or Infiniti and see Honda and Nissan. There is no Toyota that is based off the IS.
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 26, 2007 6:40 am) First place: Acura TL Type S 1:36:67 sec Second place: Lexus IS350 1:38:24 sec Third place: Infiniti G35 1:38:67 sec http://clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275963 "Lexus and BMW consider each other as competitors." LOL. 
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Replying to: ggesq (May 26, 2007 7:23 am) If they don't consider each other as competitors than why would Lexus bring out the IS? To compete it with the TL's and the G35? Please!! And if BMW doesn't consider Lexus as a competitor than why did they turn the 330 into the 335i? To take G35 and TL customers away?
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Replying to: ggesq (May 26, 2007 7:23 am) In the realworld out on the streets, the TL "Type-S" will lose everytime. And its sad that a company with such a great heritage of making awesome motorcycle engines and 4 cylinder VTEC engines, can not produce something over 300hp. You can yank 240hp out of an S2000, but can't go over 300hp with a 3liter V6? Infiniti is about to produce 330hp out of basically the same VQ-series engine they have used for over a decade. And Honda/Acura can't? Why not? |
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 28, 2007 1:34 pm) If they don't consider each other as competitors than why would Lexus bring out the IS? To compete it with the TL's and the G35? Please!!" A "real car enthusiast" in this segment doesn't drive a slushbox. Period. And, please answer, why DID Lexus bring out an IS350 with only a slushbox only transmission? It can't even compete with Infiniti and Acura for the serious enthusaist's dollars, let alone BMW. And if you think "low to mid 13's", rather than overall performance and driving dynamics is what sport is all about, then you are the perfect Lexus customer. Perhaps you should recheck your own credentials as a "serious enthusiast" before questioning ggesq's, hey?
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 28, 2007 1:34 pm) That being said, the IS was marketed specifically to take on the 3er PERFORMANCE wise and it failed miserably. Driver feedback, driving dynamics, & road feel to name a few are some of the areas where the IS is subpar compared to the 3er. Heck, the FWD TL gives more feedback than an IS does and it comes w/ a manual tranny. Obvioualy, the IS is one little pocket rocket but I don't live my life driving from one stop light to another. I would be hard pressed to call an owner of a TL or an IS a enthusiast. It's a little unrealistic if you think the IS does not compete w/ the TL or G.
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 28, 2007 1:44 pm) Yes, it was based on who got around the track the quickest? So what? Kinda impressive for a FWD TL hanging w/ its RWD counterparts heh? Two seconds quicker is huge my friend!! By the way, it was the same driver for all 3 vehicles. The TL's at the end of its cycle. The IS came out in 06. The 330i came out in 06 and the new G just came out this year. Let's at least wait until the next generation TL comes out before throwing stones? |
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 28, 2007 1:44 pm) In the real world, do you really thinnk you can detect a 20 HP difference in a 3500# car? Sure the IS may be a couple 10ths of a second faster in the 1/4 mile, but that difference is all nut undetectable. Steering feel, chassis dynamics, and driveline response is much more noticeable (and enjoyable) in the real world, and the TL-S has the IS beat in all 3 areas.
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Replying to: fedlawman (May 28, 2007 4:57 pm) Steering feel - Yes, TL-S has the IS beat, hands down. chassis dynamics - Try it again with VDIM off. Easy to do with the 07' and also do-able with the 06'. driveline response - Apparently you haven't experience the IS350 with ECT power mode on. Trust me, the throttle behaves totally different with a push of that magic button. 
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Replying to: louiswei (May 29, 2007 3:44 am) By driveline response, I was mostly thinking of the very slick, effortless 6-speed manual of the Acura - a prerequisite for a sports car that is not available on the Lexus. The TL-S is a FWD sport sedan than even an enthusiast can enjoy. I think the IS350, with a manual tranny and a small amount of suspension tuning, could be made into a real 3-series alternative. |
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