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You are in the Acura TL
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Acura TL, Lexus IS, Lexus IS 350, Sedan
#201 of 447 lexus beats acura no question asked...
Dec 21, 2005 (2:52 am)
the Tl is 95% Made in America, and the Is is 95% made in japen. quality wise Is350 is much better. actually not just Is350, most lexus cars have better quality than Acura,that's one of the reason why it cost more.some people might say they both have about the same quality,but the truth is, there is no comparison.
i have 2 friends one only buy Acura, the other only buy Lexus. the Acura guy who bought 99Tl, 2003 MDX, and the new
TL and the Lexus guy who bought 2001 GS430,2003Lx470,and a 2006 Rx400.i driven all of the cars they have, one thing i know for sure is that the Lexus guy have never go back to dealer except oil change.And the Acura guy he gets to know what TSX and RSX drives like for days when he went back for recall and other small problem.
the other day me and the Acura guy went to test drive the Is350, make long story short, he almost bought the car, the reason why he didnt buy it is b/c the back seat is too small for his need.so people if you have the money to spare and dont really care about the back seat space, go for the Is350, not the 250 if you drive both,the 250 is a joke for that price
#202 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [ethan777]
Dec 21, 2005 (4:36 pm)
Wow, that is a pretty bold statement to make! Well, I can't speak for the hundreds of thousands of owners of Honda products, but I can speak for myself. After owning 3 Honda Accords, 1 Acura Integra and 1 Honda Civic all of which had more than 200k miles (and one actually had close to 400k), I can say that in MY experience, Honda makes some pretty solid and reliable vehicles.
I would concur that Lexus has an edge as far as luxury is concerned over Honda but better quality??- I think that is questionable and without some statistical data and/or empirical evidence to prove the same, at this point I would respectfully disagree with you.
Also, I was curious about the whole "95%" made in America comment so I looked at the window sticker of my 05 TL which clearly states that the engine and transmission are made and shipped from Japan. In all fairness, the final point of assembly for the vehicle was in Maryland. At this point, I guess I am seeking a little clarification as far as the 95% made in America comment is concerned in light of the aforementioned information off my TL window sticker.
Oh, and I do agree with you about your view on the IS250 and the price point at which it is selling at. Complete joke when you can buy a TL, G35, BMW 3, etc instead!
#203 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [ethan777]
Dec 21, 2005 (5:35 pm)
Before you mess up your keyboard (or worse) gushing about Lexus quality, you might want to take into consideration that Lexus has NEVER made a single model that caters to a serious driving enthusiast like me. Although I have not yet driven the IS350, it wouldn't qualify either, with it's slushbox only transmission choice.
Lexus makes some fine luxury vehicles that are as reliable as the old Maytag washer and dryer. Unfortunately, they elicit the same type of excitement as a Maytag when you turn on the key and drive them. At one time or another I've riden in, and occassionally driven, just about every model, multiple times. I didn't expect much from the Camry based ES or luxury oriented LS. But I thought they could have at least put a little more excitement and a little less body roll in the GS400/430. The SC430 is a pitiful excuse for an attempt at a sports car.
Our Acura TL 6-speed is not perfect, by any means. I would have preferred it with RWD, as Infiniti did with the G35. But overall, with it's short throw 6-speed, Brembo brakes and sport tuned suspension, it's a enjoyable car to drive on the highway or on winding roads.
The day that Lexus makes a truly serious driver's car, I will give them fair consideration. But I'm not holding my breath.
#204 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [habitat1]
Dec 21, 2005 (7:24 pm)
Just as a point of order, Lexus has never marketed the SC430 as a "sports car." Rather, a GT to which it is a very fair example (imo, of course). As for the exterior styling, well, that is in the eye...
I don't think anyone can doubt that, until they decided to go after BMW w/ the IS, Lexus nailed their products to their target market. Especially the RX. My wife didn't know a Lexus from a Lada, a BMW from a Buick. But the RX, that she knew and had to have.
My slush box TL is a wonderful drive, too. Even with the much maligned FWD, it handles very well for the driving that I do, is powerful and relatively thrifty with the go-juice and looks pretty darn good! I ultimately chose it over the G35/G35x for a number of reasons including a smoother, quieter ride and superior interior/exterior style and interior materials. But the G was a blast to drive, with an aggressive exhaust note!
G, TL, IS, 3... these are all fabulous cars. The winner/best is the one in your garage!
#205 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [laurasdada]
Dec 21, 2005 (7:56 pm)
"...with an aggressive exhaust note!"
The G, in its various guises, has never been my cup of tea, but...when you hear one zoom by at full throttle.....!
#206 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [habitat1]
Dec 21, 2005 (9:24 pm)
you dont get it. same as bmw lovers. lexus isnt chasing you. they know their customers want luxury and comfort FIRST. the styling of the IS obviously has gained new interest but the sport crowd is disappointed. lexus will sell every IS they make at least the first year anyway. the previous IS was more down market than they would admit. if the TL were made overseas like the TSX is then it would be better built with better materials. and having owned one I heard the rwd argument over and over. and you know what? they were right. 39ft turning circle is ridiculous in the TL and its because its fwd. TL wins on value but not luxury.
#207 of 447 maybe i should be more clear.
Dec 21, 2005 (11:04 pm)
do you guys know Lexus they expect to sell the new Is 4 times more than the old Is? i dont know about 4 times more but much more i would think.i said lexus beats acura does not mean that i am a big fan of Lexus, actually in fact i have never bought a lexus or Acura in my life.
for the honda/ acura guy ,one thing u have to know is that many of the Acura cars they make today, many parts are ship from japan and they put it together here, and that's where it goes wrong(in fact honda does have a better quality than Acura and do you konw over there in japan ,china there is no Acura).and i know on the sticker they didnt say 95% made in USA but i got the 95% from my friend who bought the 04Tl and he gets that info from the Acura Tl web
for people who like to buy BMW or Benz,think about this, which is harder to achieve when it comes to make a good car, Great performance or Make a car that never breaks down?to make a good performance you can put a bigger engine or put a turbo and perfectly tuned suspension so on..., but to make a car that never goes wrong, that's test after test years experience when it comes to built a car.In fact there are more BMW ,Benz lover are switching to lexus these days, people who buy those car u think they have time to go to dealer all the time for problems?
at last, when i test drove the Is350 (i ran the RPM to redline every gear with pedal shift)come on!!! they call that 306HP? so what's in the M3 or 911 if that's 306? what 500? lol. however it is still faster than the 04 Tl. By the way some people wonder why Acura dont make RWD is because of 2 reason. 1,cost cutting, 2,until they have a better engine with higher torque 'at wheel'Rwd is just not gonna work.
#208 of 447 Re: maybe i should be more clear. [ethan777]
Dec 22, 2005 (4:15 am)
What part of "in all fairness the final point of assembly for the TL was in Maryland" was confusing?
Yes, I do realize this. Thanks for clarifying. The point I was trying to make is that the engine and transmission, which IMO is probably two (main) of the many reasons why consumers purchase Honda/Acura was made in JAPAN.
I searched the Acura website and can't find the percentages that you were referring to. What I did find (from the original window sticker) is that 65% of the parts were obtained from the US. Whether this helps clearing up the ambiguity, I leave to you to determine.
In all honesty, could the TL quite possibly be an even better product if it was assembled in Japan- sure. That being said, even with the cars still selling like hotcakes like they are with record sales in 05 and with "projected" increased sales for 06, I would venture to say that it really doesn't matter where this car is assembled because people will still buy them.
In regards to "In fact Honda does have a better quality than Honda" statement is concerned, how so?
No doubt the IS350 over powers the TL. For those individuals out there that prefer the IS (like yourself) over the TL and want to spend the extra 5-10k, happy motoring
In regards to why Acura doesn't make a RWD TL? You might want to do a search on the other forum boards and really find out why Acura doesn't do so. Simply put, they don't have to. The car sells great as configured. Imagine, if they did though....interesting....
Also, I am interested in YOUR thoughts on why Lexus doesn't offer the IS350 in a manual? The power in that beast coupled with RWD and manual would be somewhat stimluating, wouldn't you think?
#209 of 447 Re: maybe i should be more clear. [ggesq]
Dec 22, 2005 (10:42 am)
" I am interested in YOUR thoughts on why Lexus doesn't offer the IS350 in a manual? The power in that beast coupled with RWD and manual would be somewhat stimluating..."
The reason is that "Lexus" and "stimulating" are mutually exclusive!
#210 of 447 Re: lexus beats acura no question asked... [digital_b]
Dec 22, 2005 (10:43 am)
While opinion's on luxury/interior quality/materials can certainly vary from one person to another, overall reviews of the TL usually comment on it's well laid out, stylish, luxurious, quality interior. Some don't like the blue lighting (I do) but overall the interior is a winner in most opinions that I've read/heard. The interior is one of the reasons I chose the TL over the G.
The turning circle is a bit of an annoyance, but a minor one in my book.