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| Interesting comment about signing something saying you won't move your Porsche outside the US. Do recall what the consequences were? You'd have to give back the car I suppose (ha)? I recently moved from Oregon to The Netherlands. I brought my 2000 Boxster with me (about 30 k miles). I figured it was worth more here. Thanks to the exchange rate it could be worth nearly double (i.e. from about $22 k to about $40 k or so, but 30% of that is from exchange rate). At the dealer I can't help but look at prices and due to taxes, etc. you could come close to paying twice. Had I known this I would have bought a brand new 911 in the US, not signed the thing about moving (or signed it "Mickey Mouse"), driven it here for a few years and made money upon selling it. Seems like there is a bit of arbitrage opportunity, although there are various restrictions that would make it hard to do regularly. | |
Any advise on purchase between a new CaymanS vs a low mileage 911? Regarding fun and value. 
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Replying to: chander (Dec 09, 2006 4:36 am)
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Replying to: kmans (Dec 09, 2006 5:13 am)
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Replying to: rmdds (Dec 09, 2006 5:21 pm) The Cayman S is an exceptional handling car, It is intuitive - even a relative novice can get one around a track reasonably quickly after a few tries. Also, I liked the light weight - making it feel quicker in transition than it actually is. (Same is true for the Boxster S). However, after driving both at a track, the 911 C2S became my choice. It is not as "intuitive" as the Cayman, but once you learn how to drive it, I found it to be quite a bit quicker around the track. The 911 and Cayman are almost neck and neck in the turns, but the 911's power difference is a significant advantage on the straights. I don't think you can go wrong with either car. However, I do think the Cayman S interest has peaked. A lot of the initial interest from the press and reviewers was from the camp that has had "issues" with the 911 for decades. They thought the Boxster S was the best handling Porsche ever a couple of years ago. I'm here to claim the 911 is a great handling car - and with the 997 models standard PASM & PSM, Porsche has evolved it tremendously from what it was just 10 years ago, let alone its early days 30+/- years ago. P.S. I also recommend you test the C2S rather than the C4S as a better comparison to the Cayman s. The "4" is nearly 200 lbs heavier and has approximately 3-5% less drivetrain efficiency (wheel horsepower) than the "2". The C2S is noticably quicker and IMO, feels more nimble. I've heard it claimed that in actual tests (not Porsche published numbers), the C4S and the base C2 are neck and neck in acceleration, with the C2 being better in handling on dry pavement. The C2S is a notch or two up from both. Maybe it just runs in the family. My brother, a former Porsche racing team member, prefers the RWD 997 GT3 to the AWD Turbo, at least on a track. If you are planning a lot of rain or light snow use, the "4" would make a good choice, but it wasn't mine and I live in New England. |
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I bought a Basalt Metallic Black 2.7 with the 18" wheels, Xenon headlights, all leather, PCM and 'phone, and 6 CD stack. Makes me smile every time I am in the car. I think we are on 3400 miles in 8 weeks and its so pleasurable to drive. Regarding the 911 I have no doubt that within a couple of years the Caymen will be the 911 replacement as a racer. It is already awesome around the Nurburgring and adding the LSD and upping the power will see it beating 911's no problem. And to think its got 20 year build quality : ) Incidentally the Valmet factory is laying off workers this week so Porsche may be taking a view that it will preserve price and cachet by building less of them.
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Replying to: dieseltaylor (Dec 10, 2006 12:54 pm) Since we are among friends here who share a passion for Porsche, I won't fault you for your prediction. But I will suggest you don't hold your breath. The 911 is, after all, only 40 years old and has variants that run from $70k to the $200k GT2. No matter how many physics professors have suggested to Porsche that they stop breaking the laws and come up with a mid engine design for their flagship, they have been stubbornly hanging in there with the 911 and making more profit per car than any other manufacturer, period. When I was at the plant in September, I asked the very question of whether or not the Cayman was destined to be, in a more powerful form, the 911 racer replacement. Thankfully, my Turbo was already in production, or they would have kicked me out of the waiting line. I'm not defending the rear engine vs. mid engine layout. Personally, if that was the only question, I'd prefer the latter. But purely from a financial perspective, the Cayman is, so far, only a footnote to the 911 in sales and profitability. My dealer sold out his first allocation of Cayman S's 6 months in advance. He's now sitting with an "uncomfortably high" inventory of both base and S models. So I would have to agree with redsoxgirl, the initial infatuation has worn off rather quickly. That doesn't diminish the fact that it is a very nice car, but if the reaction I got in Stuttgart was any indication, the 911 will remain the Porsche flagship (racing and otherwise) until all I can drive is a wheelchair.
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Replying to: spiritinthesky (Dec 10, 2006 3:24 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 10, 2006 3:44 pm) For the record, the Carerra GT was the most expensive road legal Porsche. From Wikipedia: Originally, a production run of 1,500 cars was slated. But Porsche announced in August, 2005 that it would not continue production of the Carrera GT throughout 2006. Porsche announced that this discontinuation was due to changing airbag regulations in the US. However, reports of diminishing sales volumes, relatively high dealer inventory levels, and dealer discounts below MSRP were reported by the automotive press as being the true factors driving an early end to the production run. So if you are using price as a surrogate for "flagship", it is currently the 911 Turbo. But I think most people would look at the Carerra GT as more of an interesting experiment than a company flagship. You need more than Jay Leno and a few hundred other near billionares to be waving a flagship for it to be seen by the poor masses like us.
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First Item - C2S is faster than Cayman S around the track. Well let's see an engine with 60 more hp and a car that costs $30K more. Surprisingly enough if you ask Hurley Haywood at the Porsche Driving Experience he will tell you that he prefers the Cayman S and that he can turn laps times in the Cayman S on par with the 997 C2S (and faster than the base 997). If you dump $6K into your Cayman S in modifications you can easily outrun the 997 C2S for still $24K LESS in price - source CaymanClub.Net Second Item - While the Cayman S did set a sales record for any Porsche sports car at any time ever built in its first month of release demand has dropped from the initial spike but has held steady for the last 6 months. Meanwhile the demand for both the Cayenne and the 997 has fallen off (exception being the recently released turbo and GT3). The Cayman's monthly sales figures are publicly available for your review - source CaymanClub.Net Will the Cayman replace the 911 as the factory race car? No - not accordingly to Wolfgang Porsche who said that while the engineers at Porsche recognize that it would be superior race car on the track and would beat the 911, Porsche management will not allow that to happen. He went on to suggest that if the Cayman were raced in an event where they did not compete head to head with the 911 that Porsche would consider backing such an event but he suspected that it would have to be a grass roots effort initially. - source CaymanClub.Net As I said in a previous post if you are deciding between a Cayman and a 997, choose the one that best fits your style and preferences but have no preconceived notions that just because you pay more for something that it is in some way a superior car. Deciding between those two is like deciding between two supermodels to take to dinner, is there really a wrong choice? |
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