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2727 messages, Last post on Nov 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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Well, the fact is that people are bound to notice that: a) the new Avalon is almost as cushy as an ES b) cheaper c) handles better """The ES and Avalon have a different target audience. The Avalon is a full sized sedan while the ES is a midsize"" Target audiences are different? That's like saying that the T&C and DGC have different target audiences. Size doesn't mean too terribly much. "Target Audience" is a phrase sometimes used by auto manfacturers to tell people who they would like to buy that car. However, the world that realy people live in and the world of "Target Audiences" is fairly different.
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Many people are willing to pay a premium for the Lexus badge, and for them, the ES is there. An Avalon costs just about as much as an ES nowadays... It'll probably have more than 280 horsepower though... Who needs that much horsepower anyways? 255 horsepower is plenty enough for me, and my car is heavier and longer than the ES... (albeit shorter than the Avalon)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Jun 15, 2005 7:24 pm) Honestly though, why not 280 horses? Id bemoan a different song if there was an efficiency drop since the last generation, but the EPA ratings have gone up 3 to 4 MPG on the city and highway cycles for the Avalon. If the consumer can have that, and another 70 horses to boot, why not? The Avalon may cost as much fully loaded as the current ES, but it actually has several features not available on that model, and its model range extends down some 7 grand below where the ES starts. Theres still enough differentation in size, price, customer service, and prestige that I dont really see either cannabalizing the other's sales directly. -my take alpha |
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Theres still enough differentation in size, price, customer service, and prestige that I dont really see either cannabalizing the other's sales directly. I agree. The current ES330 is selling briskly despite having only 225 horsepower compared to the Avalon. |
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Anybody has any news on the ES350? I'm deciding between the new ES350 and the new IS250/350. |
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I haven't heard anything about the ES, but it won't be out until '07 at the earliest.
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| I guess Lexus is typical Lexus- they won't tell us ANYTHING about the car until six months before debut, when they'll show it at an autoshow, and then they'll release just pictures. Full details, including specifications, pricing, and options probably won't be available until a week or so before launch. | |
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Replying to: chris65amg (Jul 11, 2005 10:47 am) |
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| The ES really has to get more hp to compete with the Avalon. The new Avalon is a hot car in spite of not having the Lexus badge. I believe it's the best bargain on the market, by far. Consumer Reports claims it's a good alternative to full size lux models. | |
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I'm expecting the ES to be smaller than the Avalon, and possibly less powerful. Why? Because the ES sits in a weird market position. It's the entry evel luxury market, and it doesn't compete against similarly priced cars like the BMW 3 or the Audi A4 because it isn't sporty at all. They need to keep that image. As boring as it may seem, that is why they sell so many. They are comfortable cars, and they are true Lexus luxury for a relatively low price.
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