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#164 of 2769 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300
Dec 12, 2005 (6:53 pm)
I currently own a 2000 Lexus ES 300. It has been a wonderful car but it is getting a little long in the tooth and I am planning on replacing it very soon with another Lexus.
Last Spring, I looked at the GS 300 w/ Nav, Mark Levinson, etc. but I couldn't quite justify paying $50K+ for a car and they were selling for MSRP w/ no deals to be had. I learned that the ES was being updated for the Spring and my plan was to buy a new ES the first month or two that they come out.
Here is my dilemma. According to the posts on the GS forum, you can now buy a GS 300 for approximately $5K less than MSRP and this would be within my budget. In the past, there has been approximately a $7K price difference between a comparably equipped ES 330 and GS 300. I'll probably pay MSRP for the 2007 ES if I buy one in the Spring because it is a new vehicle which means that I could have bought a GS 300 for only $2K more. If the knowledgeable people in this forum think that these numbers are likely to hold up, I'll buy the GS and I could get it in the next few weeks. If not, I'll wait for more info on the new ES. I like the new GS but I've always been happy with the ES prior to now.
Here are my questions.
1. Do you expect the new ES 300 to sell for MSRP initially and, in the past, how long does it take for the dealers to start to substantially discount a newly designed Lexus?
2. Do you think that Lexus will maintain the $7K price gap between the GS and ES or do you think that the ES will be cheaper than this?
3. Given how nice the 2007 ES is supposed to be, does anyone think that the GS is worth spending another $2-5K for a similarly equipped vehicle.
Any thoughts and feedback would be much appreciated.
#165 of 2769 Re: 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300 [dp5]
Dec 12, 2005 (7:05 pm)
The new ES will probably sell at sticker at the introduction and for a while longer depending on supply on how willing potential buyers are to go an alternate car if they don't like the price. This also depends on how agressive the MSRP is. If the MSRP is really good, then don't expect further discounts.
If you can get a GS300 at a huge discount and no discount on the new ES, you can compare them then and decide which you prefer, but you will have to wait to see what either car really sells for when the time comes.
#166 of 2769 Re: 2007 Lexus 330 [carrelman2]
Dec 13, 2005 (10:16 am)
Body side molding are extra... usually about $125.00
#167 of 2769 Re: 2007 Lexus 330 [tedescm1]
Dec 13, 2005 (10:20 am)
People put way too much faith in bodyside moldings.
There is nothing to prevent dings above and below the molding and plenty of cars have these dings there.
You cannot park near other cars if you don't want dings.
#168 of 2769 Re: 2007 Lexus 330 [jaxs1]
Dec 13, 2005 (3:12 pm)
I agree. Moldings use to be beneficial when most vehicles were the same size and were situated in the middle of the door. Now, (for the vehicles that still have them) they are there for looks only. On some vehicles they are situated so low they offer no protection at all.
#169 of 2769 Re: 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300 [dp5]
Dec 13, 2005 (5:10 pm)
Given how nice the 2007 ES is supposed to be, does anyone think that the GS is worth spending another $2-5K for a similarly equipped vehicle.
They are not "similarly equipped" because the new ES has a newer more powerful engine!
#170 of 2769 Re: 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300 [1violinist]
Dec 13, 2005 (5:12 pm)
At some point I'm sure the GS will get a new base engine. Maybe 2007. The current engine is probably temporary.
#171 of 2769 Re: 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300 [dp5]
Dec 13, 2005 (7:04 pm)
Yesterday, I posted that I was deciding between a 2006 GS 300 and a 2007 ES 350. I test drove the GS today. At 38 years of age, I guess that I'm getting old because the GS seemed like too much "sports" and not enough "sedan" for my taste. I'm not sure that it would fit my family lifestyle as well as the ES so I guess that I will wait until the new ES comes out. With this obvious sign of aging, I'm sure that plaid pants and a daily dose of Metamucil can't be too far in my future.
#172 of 2769 Re: 2007 ES 350 vs 2006 GS 300 [dp5]
Dec 13, 2005 (7:18 pm)
Yeah - opinions do change with time! I am 34 - my problem with the GS is that headroom in the GS seems awful. I kept trying to lower the seat but it wouldn't go down any further. Didn't seem like good visibility if you were taller. Rear seat felt like I was in the back of sports car, not a 45K sedan. And don't even get me started on the trunk! It's selling well, but I am not sure who the target is. So, although the 2006 ES still has a little of that "plasticky" Toyota dashboard look to me, I have high hopes for the 2007 ES350. My wish list for the 2007 ES: AWD - Seems unlikely, but you never know, Bluetooth, and Push button Start (a gimmick, I know). My prediction is it will have 2 of 3, but I will lose on AWD.
#173 of 2769 Body side molding
Dec 13, 2005 (7:27 pm)
A friend of mine was interested in the new Toyota Avalon but did not buy it because it didn't come with body side molding. He was quoted $350 to add it and was not told that it was a factory option.If you think this is not an important issue good luck to uou.Have a happy time getting your DINGS & DENTS.You must be in the body shop business. They are expecting a bonanza of DING & DENT business.