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You are in the Pontiac GTO
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Pontiac GTO, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Coupe
#127 of 471 My new GTO
Jun 27, 2005 (12:05 pm)
I am an owner of a brand new GTO. Silver / Black interiors 05, the leather and the interior are great, I can compare it with my Audi A4 3.0 Quattro.(2005). It is a pleasant drive and you have plenty of power in passing situations. It does not matter if you are in 6th gear, the car responds like 3rd or 4th in my Audi. Too much power. My only complaint about the car is the very small trunk space along with the foot rest - the clutch pedal is too much to the left and could take time to figure it out.
Beign a coupe, it is difficult to get in the backseat- (like I care, I do all the driving) but once back there it has a lot of leg space unlike my A4 or a 325 bimmer (2000) that I once had.
I have had this car for the last 3½ months and it destroyed the love I had for european cars. My 325 gave me a lot of problems with electric systems and my A4 had a major airbag problem, not to mention that 3 weeks after the purchase a tail light went off, the serpentine belt broke after 3 months.
So far so good with this car and I like the fact that it is a stealth car and not a flashy "arrest me red-fast and furious" car. It is perfect for the daily commute and very good at passing power.
Question to you guys -
How biast or fair are Consumer Guide ratings? According to CG, they rate the GTO a 9 out of 10 over the Mustang GT, 350z, RX8 and yes, even over the STi.
For the Sub and for the Pontiac. Are they Pro-GM or pro Ford because that changes a lot of ratings.
I am not trashing anybody since I am just a daily driver who likes a good ride, comfort and passing power. I tried buying the Mustang GT but the difference in ride quality and interior on the GTO made my desicion the Goat.
Enjoy your ride gentlemen, they are both great cars and everybody enjoys different stuff.
I like my Goat though!
#128 of 471 A couple more things...
Jun 27, 2005 (12:21 pm)
There was absolutely no incentive for the Mustang, even, they were trying in 4 different dealers to sell it $2k over invoice. After the incentives and rebates due to low selling, the car from a $33690.00 invoice was chopped down to $28790 (Employee disc. + hot buttons - yes, they gave me the discount even before it went out) and by reading the comparo from Car and Driver "21 century muscle car" and that "gotta have it factor" and "fun to drive factor" of course you can tell it was biast. After all the Stang only won for 1 point and it was heavily due to the "gotta have it".
I will like to see when the srt8 Charger comes out, but personally I don't like Chrysler too much.
Jun 27, 2005 (1:12 pm)
I don't think they rate as high up there as many other pubs in terms of technical merit, but they are a good resource for looking up prices. The Forester is recommended and plenty of asian brands earn their best buy stamp, FWIW.
It's funny how price can spark up interest in a car. Noone wanted last year's GTO at the list price, but when incentives made prices plunge interest bounced back. Now with +50 horses it may not even need them any more.
The Saab 9-2x (WRX clone) was the same way, price too high it was unloved, but GM Employee pricing brings that so far down that it became a cult car, 9-2x Aeros with manual trannies are now hard to find.
#130 of 471 Re: performance [rznyk]
Jun 29, 2005 (4:00 pm)
Well I was talking about the '05 because that one beat you already in the Edmunds comparison but heck, I have the '04 myself. And I don't have any turbo lag. But you have to wind it up to 3500 to get off the line. If I did that I would only burn rubber. So it probably depends on who hooks up better. And where do you get that that the GTO has a stability problem at 140mph? It is limited to approximately 160mph. It doesn't run out of gas nor does it have any stability issues at that speed. The STi is drivable at 140? I doubt it. "the GTO driver simply has to hope there's nothing more than a gentle curve here and there". Are you trying to tell me that an STi could take hard curves at 140mph? Give me a break. Even if you do get me off the line I will take you at higher speeds.
#131 of 471 Re: Isn't that kind of silly? [rznyk]
Jun 29, 2005 (4:14 pm)
What are you talking about? The GTO beats the STi in everything except handling. The only times I have seen for the STi is 0-60 in 5.6 by Edmunds and 5-60 in 7.4 just posted here. I can do better in my '04...
Considering the punishment you take driving the STi, I think you are the ones fooling yourselfs. The GTO has the performance and the drivability.
#132 of 471 Re: Everywhere [rznyk]
Jun 29, 2005 (4:29 pm)
First one of you says that you win on the oval track and drag racing is a joke. Now you are saying that you can out drag anything but Vipers and Corvettes? Get your stories straight...
I have to admit that cooling the intercooler is, well, cool.
And finally you come up with the LS1 or LS2 has an engine defect. I never heard that one before....
#133 of 471 Re: To clear a few things up [rznyk]
Jun 29, 2005 (6:04 pm)
I have never heard of even one LS1 or LS2 engine failure. I don't know where you get your information. Nothing has ever been posted in any forum I have been in.
"GM interiors generally suck." The GTO is the best GM offers except for perhaps some Cadillacs. Anyway the leather interior in my Grand Prix is better that the STi interior. It is comfortable and is actually placed in the correct position in front of the steering wheel unlike the STi and it's 'high friction' cloth...
#134 of 471 Re: To clear a few things up [sensai] (oops, forgot) [rznyk]
Jun 29, 2005 (6:21 pm)
"launching a high powered AWD car is almost too easy". Really? The STi sounds like it bogs down if you don't rev it high enough on launch. And poping the clutch at 3500 rpms. Oh yeah, that car is really gonna hold up for a long time....
The econoboxes that outhandle the GTO are hundreds of pounds lighter and sacrifice quality, class, speed, top end, etc. Remember the GTO is a heavy car yet still handles well and it's performance is unbeatable by econoboxes and Subarus.
Anyone that considers the GTO a joke hasn't raced one. Call it a pig if you want it will still beat you...
As to who is buying the GTO, well unfortuantely I am not rich. Call me a geezer if you want but I am not nostalgic. No one with a GTO is unhappy with it so why are you sad???
#135 of 471 Re: performance [rznyk]
Jun 30, 2005 (7:23 am)
It makes 90% of peak torque across a band roughly 3500 rpm wide. Let's see that GTO engine do that(fat chance, even with mods, unless these mods include an intercooled turbocharger or two.)
You've got to be kidding. I bet the LS2 does 90% peak torque over 3500rpm BONE STOCK.
#136 of 471 Extremes and absolutes
Jun 30, 2005 (7:26 am)
Noone said anything about ovals, this isn't NASCAR. LOL
performance and the drivability
The latter compromises the former somewhat. Performance is more than only straight line acceleration.
STi's seats are suede-like Ecsaine, not high friction cloth. I'm beginning to doubt you've ever sat in one, much less driven one. It's so far from cloth it's not even funny.
A lot of the comparisons you make seem like you're comparing a GTO to a base WRX, not an STi. You might of read a review but I seriously doubt you've driven or even ridden in an STi.
"No one with a GTO is unhappy"
Not true, no car has 100% happy owners, that's just laughable.
You talk in extremes and absolutes about an STi you know very, very little about.