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#5191 of 5196 Re: Missing the forest for the trees [danogo] by highender Oct 15, 2006 (9:23 pm)
Replying to: danogo (Oct 15, 2006 8:01 pm) ""If you have a senator or congressperson in your district still in office they should be shot for treason. And you should be feeling a little negligent right now. We knew then there was a NATIONAL SECURITY issue with global oil suppliers. At that point we should have had our government created huge disincentives for gasoline vehicle manufacturers and a huge incentives for alternative fuel vehicle manufacturers. ""   YOu are oversimplifying the situation, IMO, using hindsight which nobody has ahead of time. NO one wanted to have a hybrid back then...not even you. The oil shortage back then was a political problem more than a supply one.   " A diesel hybrid is the greatest opportunity for a renewable resource fuel transition vehicle.(Transition-to get us to the next mobile fuel resource) As we ALL KNOW internal combustion is a no go for the long term, but for the next ten years... Hey we can grow our own fuel(biodiesel)and burn less of it(in a hybrid.....""   Here I agree with you. I was shopping for a hybrid or diesel, and settled on the diesel. I would buy a turbo hybrid diesel if one were available....                ""Puleeeeez stop voting your religion or your own selfish ends   That is a rather broad statement...and not taking into account alot of things that are more important than gasoline.    and start voting your love for: your fellow man, your community, your country, and of course your planet. This is about EVERYONE not just you or just your friends or your football team.   Here I agree...we should all be united..as Americans !! and get the terrorists who bombed us and will think nothing of doing the same to you...   The politicians don't want us to find common ground they want us to be trivially divided so they can serve their masters(corporations;national & international)and keep giving themselves pay raises, while voting down increases in minimum wage. Working class America can vote people into office that represent us not our corporations or religions. Or don't and keep taking it(no matter who you are except the top 1/10% of the income bracket).   Why don't we vote to give everyone a raise to $30 an hour, and watch what remains of US industrial production go down the tubes and go to another country, eh ? You want us to commit economic suicide ? I thinnk not. Well, we cannot all get paid alot when the rest of the world is just aching to get any job for less than what we are willing to settle for..and they will do it while putting in 110% of their time....(Not that they have anything else to live for...)   86% of Americans believe in GOD. Most even understand that you cannot give a person who produces inferior products, a raise.   I wish that it were different, but the facts are not what you said...and your statements , IMHO, do not answer those problems...but will make our country worst. Replies to this message: gagrice (Oct 16, 2006 5:09 am) ruking1 (Oct 16, 2006 6:22 am)
#5192 of 5196 Re: Missing the forest for the trees [jkinzel] by imidazol97 Oct 16, 2006 (4:18 am)
Replying to: jkinzel (Oct 15, 2006 8:29 pm) >after giving it some thought and the total failure of our educational system   What total failure. You've been listening to Rush too much. How does this relate to diesels? Replies to this message: jkinzel (Oct 16, 2006 6:30 am)
#5193 of 5196 Re: Missing the forest for the trees [highender] by gagrice Oct 16, 2006 (5:09 am)
Replying to: highender (Oct 15, 2006 9:23 pm) Your comments are much closer to my way of looking at our country. I would add that until we have term limits we will end up with leaders that are self serving. It is our nature.   You did not get any response to your comment about aircraft pollution. Just as a reminder jet airplanes burn diesel fuel. It is number one diesel or commonly referred to as Jet A. Because of the low temperatures in the Arctic our diesel supplier only sold #1 diesel. He was also the supplier for the airlines with Jet A. They would drain off the Jet A tanks on occasion into the diesel tanks to filter out any dirt or water. Because of government regulations fuel for aircraft has to be certified as Jet A. This fuel still has a rather high sulfur content. No one wants to mess with the aircraft industry so that pollution will continue for a long time.   Meanwhile the citizen that wants to cut consumption and GHG is not given any real choices. Replies to this message: ruking1 (Oct 16, 2006 6:22 am)
#5194 of 5196 Re: Missing the forest for the trees [gagrice] by ruking1 Oct 16, 2006 (6:22 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2006 5:09 am) Also there are numerous studies that indicate burning of fuels, such as jet A (high sulfur fuels) at cruising altitude 25,000-45,000 feet pollutes EXPONENTIALLY GREATER than at sea level. Interestingly enough, environmentalists advocate mass transit such as aircraft travel!!!?? Green Peace also runs a ship that burns, (again many times) higher sulfur fuel. (3000 ppm) The USA government also operates the LARGEST unscheduled airlines and ship fleets which, yup you guessed it, uses higher sulfur fuels.   One also does not have to be a rocket scientist to do the math here. How many gals of 15 ppm diesel do I have to burn to equal 1 gal of 3000 ppm diesel fuel?
#5195 of 5196 Re: Missing the forest for the trees [imidazol97] by jkinzel Oct 16, 2006 (6:30 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 16, 2006 4:18 am) Rush who?
#5196 of 5196 moving along... by kirstie_h HOST Oct 16, 2006 (6:55 am)
Well, we've somehow turned this discussion from hybrids and diesels into hybrids versus diesels, which wasn't the intent. Time to move along, so feel free to join one of these discussions, based on your interests: Is this the Day of the Diesel? one of the many general hybrid discussions

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