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5196 messages, Last post on Oct 16, 2006 at 6:55 AM
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 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=109748 I sure wouldn't want to drive the test mules.  KaBooooooom !!!!! BTW- What is BMW thinking ? Walk like an Egyptian ? Building the over priced 7 series in a third world country like Egypt  Well perhaps a pyramid, but a premium luxury car  Well it looks like the 7-series Quality status will be junk unfortunatly.  Rocky
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 23, 2006 9:01 pm) Generalizations like that don't help, since they are rarely correct for everyone. And that definitely isn't the case here. I cannot recall diesel being less expensive here ever since buying my first Prius 5.5 years ago. 10 to 25 cents more is the norm. And our gas has been 10 percent renewable all that time too. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 24, 2006 6:23 am) http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/txt/ptb0522.html
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Replying to: rockylee (Mar 24, 2006 3:47 am) Most noteworthy about your cited articles is they say not word one about the cost per gal of hydrogen (by weight) and the mpg. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 24, 2006 6:38 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 24, 2006 7:22 am) Gassers will take two hits. One for gasoline going to ULS and the other for putting ethanol in the place of MTBE. I think the second hit for the ethanol is going to be bad as E10 in it's present form still has MTBE in it. Diesel will take a single hit as it goes to ULSD. Another advantage to diesel is that there are no "designer" blends as there are on gasoline.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 23, 2006 10:11 pm) But I'm sure you knew that already as an astute student of all things diesel. I stand by my earlier sarcastic comment -My prediction is that is will take 7.2 years for hybrid hypers to comprehend the facts of hybrid and diesel ownership costs. Difference in MSRP of comparable gas vs. diesel Jetta is $1,315. Difference in MSRP of comparable Liberty gas vs. diesel is between $800 and $1000. Difference in MSRP between Mercedes E320 CDI and E350 gas model is $1000. $2700 premium for diesel ROFLMAO! Only in the land of make believe!
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 23, 2006 10:44 pm) Now that VW is trying to move the Jetta out of playing to the Compact audience, but it's not quite ready for primetime in the midsize theater, The Jetta TDI/Prius might be an interesting analysis since the Prius is also between the Corolla and the Camry. Let's run some numbers: (next post) |
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 24, 2006 7:49 am) Edmunds has the TDI with the 3 features  $29300 TMV vs the 2.5 Gasser $26800.. That's $2500 difference. We're just using an impartial referee... ROFLMAO! Only in the land of make believe! shhhh big brother is watching. It doesn't like to be embarrassed.
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 24, 2006 7:49 am) I agree that was an attempt to make the diesel premium as high as the lowest hybrid premium. My Passat TDI was a $200 option on the factory website. I think the current $1315 TDI premium on the Jetta is VW grabbing a little more for the car that is selling best. The VW TDI is in demand as much or more than the hybrids. A 2005 Passat Wagon TDI just sold on eBay for $27,460 with over 20K miles. That is $2100 over dealer retail price. By contrast the Prii I have tracked rarely get bid up to the minimum reserve.
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