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Replying to: hot_georgia (Mar 23, 2006 2:57 pm) All that and a car that typically will not last as long as a gasoline model. I have very rarely seen 2 sentences with more factual errors in them. Basically everything is wrong except the "more expensive car" comment. |
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Replying to: hot_georgia (Mar 23, 2006 2:57 pm) So if you want to compare apples to apples, essentially there is no premium over a turbo gassers VW Jetta and a slight premium for the basic model VW gasser. Apples to oranges, when I got my 2003 TDI, it was essentially 2,000 LESS or a premium for HCH over an TDI. However, since I subsequently got a 2004 Honda Civic, the premium for the HCH was 7500. In the same face off, the premium for the Prius was 12,500. |
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Replying to: hot_georgia (Mar 23, 2006 2:57 pm) I have no idea where this information has come from but it is all false or extremely misleading. The diesel option for the Jetta adds about $800 - $1000. A package 2 Jetta TDI with leather runs $25,000 and up.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Mar 23, 2006 3:53 pm) I would give in on the noisier. That's it. You cannot compare the handling and performance of an HCH to a Jetta TDI. I am sure the HCH is a nice little commuter car. It is way over priced in the major markets. The new HCH W/O NAV that I sat in was $24k and change before TTL. It had a $2k dealer markup. The interesting thing was a brand new Jetta sitting in front of the Honda showroom. I asked if it was a trade-in. No it is the Sales Manager's new car. I said maybe he should park that out back. The salesman agreed. If you look at the sales statistics the Jetta sold more units in Feb than Prius. Way up from last year. That is without being able to sell their most popular TDI in CA and 4 other states. PS The HCH did not have leather, Moonroof or 4 wheel disk brakes for $24k. It should not cost over $18k. |
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Replying to: hot_georgia (Mar 23, 2006 2:57 pm) That is totally stripped Jetta. You can buy a stripped Civic for $15k, making the HCH $10k more expensive. A PKG 2 top of the line TDI is about $1000 over the Jetta gas equivelant. model. Much more luxury for the money than the HCH. It comes down to performance and handling vs perceived reliability. Choices, ain't it grand? I find the VW a lot more fun to drive. |
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lets do a comparo of a diesel Jetta and a non-diesel Jetta. 1.9 TDI vs 2.5 PZEV ... Each has similar performance features. Each can be ordered with similar niceties such as: JSK, PNV, PMS, JAL, JRS Edmunds TMV here shows Jetta 1.9 TDI  $31100 Jetta 2.5 Gas $28400 With diesel at about a $0.20 premium over unleaded regular and expected EPA FE values of TDI 35/42/36 Gas 22/30/25 One can estimate that at 15000 mi/yr it will cost the TDI $1125 annually ( $2.70/gal ) Gas $1500 annually ( $2.50/gal ) Thus for two vehicles equipped exactly the same it will take... 7.2 years to recover the diesel premium - unless diesel and diesel vehicles get relatively more expensive as ULSD is implemented. ( searching for my own BK franchise ) Where have I heard this before? |
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$2.38/g regular unleaded $2.37/g diesel I just returned from filling up the wife's car with gasoline and then I read about the diesel premium....   kdhspyder With diesel at about a $0.20 premium over unleaded regular Diesel is, and has been for the majority of the last 10 years, less costly than regular unleaded. My prediction is that is will take 7.2 years for hybrid hypers to comprehend the facts of hybrid and diesel ownership costs.
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 23, 2006 9:01 pm) But it's not the difference in fuel costs that has to be overcome.. it's the $2700 premium on the vehicle that does. The fuel fluctuations only exacerbate the premium and slow down the 'recapture' time. But I'm sure you knew that already as an astute student of all things diesel.  Wait, using CR's analysis a Jetta TDI buyer today might have to wait longer to recapture the diesel premium than a hybrid buyer does to recapture the hybrid premium!!! Unbelieveable!! Shocking!! Solution: Sell diesels only where the cost of diesel fuel is the same or less than regular gasolin. This would bring the diesel and hybrid recapture periods into balance.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 23, 2006 5:59 pm) ergo TMV Price differential is 'only' $2500.. If diesel then is the same price as Regular gas then the recapture period is only 65 mo's. That sounds awfully like the HCH vs Gasser Civic analysis.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 23, 2006 5:59 pm) Jetta 1.9 TDI $31100 Trying to find your point. The Prius not quite as well equipped is #31,754. It is lacking the most important of all extras. NO XM radio and no moonroof. Poor handling and open road performance. So I would take the Jetta sans the JSK Enhanced Styling Package. What a waste of 3 grand. Now the Prius is $3600 more expensive with less fun stuff. Maybe that is why the Jetta is outselling the Prius as the year progresses.
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