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Re: VW TDI for 2007?????? [gagrice] by ruking1
Mar 18, 2006 (9:27 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 18, 2006 9:22 am)

I would expect a full court press by the VW diesel PAC, just as I am sure the Toyota PAC did for the hybrid.
 
Incidently a major diesel "particulate" filter manufacturer is in Hilary Clinton's state. Let's hope for the sake of clean diesel, they are demo's
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Re: TDI may be slow, BUT, [ruking1] by john1701a
Mar 18, 2006 (9:36 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 18, 2006 8:55 am)

So... rather than use actual data, the response is to just discredit the person asking for it instead? I'll add that to the anti-hybrid research results; however, I still want to know on what basis you made your claim:
 
Where is your actual data?
  
What is your lifetime average?
  
Why didn't you identify the transmission type?
 
By the way, yesterday when I proved someone else here attempting to discredit me had lied, it just got ignored. What will you do?
 
JOHN
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Re: TOO CORRUPT [ruking1] by gagrice
Mar 18, 2006 (9:40 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 18, 2006 9:17 am)

I will never be without a diesel vehicle of some type. I will sell the Passat in April. I am keeping the Mercedes Sprinter. What a nice vehicle. 8000# and 22-25 MPG. Nothing burning gasoline can come even close to that.
 
My wife likes the Gecko green Beetle. If I could find one with TDI and DSG, I would snap it up. They are as safe as gold as car purchases go.
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Re: TDI may be slow, BUT, [john1701a] by ruking1
Mar 18, 2006 (9:42 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Mar 18, 2006 9:36 am)

You'd have a hard time proving this:
 
..."I'll add that to the anti-hybrid research;"...
 
I am not sure why you need anti hybrid "enemies". I am neither anti hybrid, nor your "enemy." If anything, you are an enemy of alternative fuels. I do not want the alternative fuels "banned or legislated out of existence" I have also been pretty upfront on this board and probably others, why I decided not to get the hybrid, either Prius or HCH, both fine cars I might add.
 
It is good folks with attitudes like yours are not the kings/queens.
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Re: TOO CORRUPT [gagrice] by ruking1
Mar 18, 2006 (9:46 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 18, 2006 9:40 am)

"My wife likes the Gecko green Beetle. If I could find one with TDI and DSG, I would snap it up. They are as safe as gold as car purchases go. "
 
I really like the (retro) NB styling!!! When I bought a 1970 VW Beetle in 1971 (35 years ago) I frankly didnt like the styling much. But with gas expensive at.29 cents and 30-34 mpg, it was pretty good!!! Running it app 250,000 miles with only scheduled maintenance and normal wear items and one unscheduled maintainance, clutch job wasn't too bad either.
 
My two daughters (both college) didn't want their "DAD" driving a "chick" car!!???
 
Yeah ,actually a funny story how I got the Jetta instead of the Beetle.
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Re: TDI may be slow, BUT, [ruking1] by john1701a
Mar 18, 2006 (9:58 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 18, 2006 9:42 am)

> I am neither anti hybrid, nor your "enemy."
 
Then why won't you answer the questions by providing data to support your claim?
 
JOHN
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Why you are anti anti? by ruking1
Mar 18, 2006 (10:05 am)
So what good would talking to a "brick wall"? Or one more piece of data for the "delete before reading" file do."
 
What claim? The claim that you claimed what I say is anti hybrid research?
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Re: TOO CORRUPT [gagrice] by jkinzel
Mar 18, 2006 (10:12 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 18, 2006 9:40 am)

Gagrice,
 
There are a few green TDI’s in Tacoma, WA. You could buy new here then take it home via Chicago, New York, Tampa and Phoenix. Should have 7501 miles by then. Makes for a long road trip.
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Re: TOO CORRUPT [jkinzel] by gagrice
Mar 18, 2006 (10:23 am)

Replying to: jkinzel (Mar 18, 2006 10:12 am)

I will check those dealers out. I would generally license in a different state that I own property. I used to buy vehicles in Seattle and drive back to Alaska and sell at enough profit to pay for my vacations. Mostly 4WD PU trucks.
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Re: TDI may be slow, BUT, [john1701a] by gagrice
Mar 18, 2006 (11:18 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Mar 18, 2006 9:58 am)

Then why won't you answer the questions by providing data to support your claim?
 
What is there to support? You tell me you get 49.5 MPG lifetime on your Prius I believe you. Anyone that lies about something like that will get cornered sooner or later. And The gentleman has posted many times that his Jetta is a MT. Is that significant? The end result seems to me more important than what kind of transmission. If you like automatics you should try the DSG. Superior to anything Toyota has to offer in automatic transmissions. They get equal to manual mileage.
 
If you check the people posting on the EPA website. The 2006 Jetta TDI with automatic is averaging 2.5 MPG better than the EPA estimated rating. That is 14 drivers posting. They did not give their name, rank and serial number so we could not check their credentials.
 
The Forum is supposed to be a fun interchange of ideas and such. It should not be an inquisition to those that we oppose their view point.
 
You have made it clear that you feel that the hybrid is the only solution to our energy and emissions problems. You have also posted that the only hybrid that is any good is the Toyota implementation of HSD. That is your opinion and no one is going to change your mind. That does not leave much room for those of us that are not thrilled with Toyota or want to give other alternatives a fair shot at solving the issues we all face.

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