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Re: Toyota [moparbad] by gagrice
Mar 13, 2006 (3:06 pm)

Replying to: moparbad (Mar 13, 2006 1:49 pm)

It makes sense if you think about it....if I owned a Avensis and HiLux with D4D I'd never need to buy a new vehicle again in my lifetime.
 
Same here. I like that Avensis. I wonder if they have to pay VW/Audi for stealing their wagon design. Or maybe they hired the design team from VW. Good looking wagon.
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A reminder by pf_flyer HOST
Mar 15, 2006 (12:05 pm)
Just had to remove a post with an oversized picture. Please limit the pics you add to your posts to 500 pixels in width so they don't force the message area under the videos on the right side.
If you have an image that needs to be seen full size to be appreciated, simply post a link to the pic in your post instead of using the IMG tag.
 
You can also display your images in a photo album in your CarSpace!
 
http://www.carspace.com/pf_flyer
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Re: Point Reyes Light article [gagrice] by nvbanker
Mar 15, 2006 (5:21 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 13, 2006 6:57 am)

I agree with ya, gagrice.
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Re: Hybrids [winter2] by john1701a
Mar 15, 2006 (6:14 pm)

Replying to: winter2 (Mar 13, 2006 1:33 pm)

> Kind of interesting how he disappears when he gets confronted.
 
I'm still patiently waiting for something constructive to respond to, in other words facts relating to the topic. Those personal attacks aren't worth wasting my time on.
 
JOHN
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Re: Hybrids [winter2] by kdhspyder
Mar 15, 2006 (7:57 pm)

Replying to: winter2 (Mar 13, 2006 1:33 pm)

As jkinzel implied it's just business. All businesses create campaigns to target differing prospective buyers. Why is that a problem? I didnt notice where Toyota applied for sainthood. It's just a big business with different campaigns for differing segments of the market.
 
Here is a clue why the ads for trucks are so prevalent while the hybrid ads are not. Trucks are not moving as well as hybrids due mainly to fuel prices. They need an advertising boost. Hybrids are selling themselves. Advertising to sell hybrids is a waste of money.
 
Try to find an ad for the new FJ Cruiser. The decision was made no ads - all word of mouth. It's expected that ads will not be needed to move everything.
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Re: Hybrids [john1701a] by gagrice
Mar 15, 2006 (8:09 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Mar 15, 2006 6:14 pm)

I'm still patiently waiting for something constructive to respond to
 
I thought Mopar and others had questions that were most pertinent to the subject we all are interested in.
 
You failed to address any questions posed. You only post snippets of information. None of which is substantiated, except in your own realm of thinking.
 
If Toyota is truly interested in the environment and hybrids in particular. Why is their effort mostly in expanding their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs?
 
Why no Prius factories in the USA? They announced, built and put into production the Prius in China. This after the Prius was a big success here. Why are they still dribbling them out a full 2 years after they stated they were expanding production of the Prius?
 
Quite frankly I thought your Prius had died on the highway and you were leaning our direction, toward the true fossil fuel saving vehicles. You know the diesels that will run on 100% American grown bio-diesel.
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Re: Hybrids [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Mar 15, 2006 (8:22 pm)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 15, 2006 7:57 pm)

I don't know where to start. First Toyota would LOVE us to believe they are the Jolly GREEN Giant. I have to take exception to your "trucks are not moving well" statement. If it were not for truck sales which are up so far this year. Toyota would not have much to brag about. Toyota sold 27k PU trucks in Feb. I would bet they did not sell 10k hybrids total last month. The Camry is way off. The Corolla is flat and the Prius only sold 6500 in February. That with a $3100 tax credit on the sale. If Toyota cannot sell the Prius with that kind of incentive they are just about a dead monkey. OR my assertion from before is correct. Toyota is waffling on building the Prius. Hoping they can divert some of the hybrid components to higher profit vehicles. The only thing Green about Toyota is the American green backs flowing into Japanese banks.
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Re: Hybrids [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Mar 15, 2006 (9:07 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 15, 2006 8:22 pm)

You might think Toyota wants us to believe that they are the Jolly GREEN Giant, I see it as normal advertising by a big international company directed at a specific audience. Cynical? Sure. Nearly all advertising is manipulative. It's one of the tools of business.
 
As long as there are buyers for big rigs it would be a business crime for Toyota not to attempt to sell these buyers. These buyers are not going to go away. They are not going to suddenly begin riding bicycles. They are going to buy trucks. Why not sell them?
 
Your stats? Well 'creative interpretation' would be a good phrase.
 
Prius YTD 14200 vs 12600 +12%
Tundra YTD 20000 vs 19800 flat
Tacoma YTD 26100 vs 20400 +28%
 
All of the Yr-over-Yr gain is by the Tacoma.. the more efficient and more up-to-date of the two. The Tundra is stagnating since it's in it's 7th year.
 
The Tacoma is the only 'truck'/SUV that is positive. The Crusher, 4Runner, Highlander, Sequoia are all down while the Tundra is dead flat. Ditto LX470 and GX470 at Lexus.
If it wasnt for the car-like RAV4 which is way up the entire segment would be down in the dumps. The potential profit is all in the other vehicles though.
 
When products are weak they need a advertising boost.
 
Ahhh your last sentence. This was beaten to death on the 'What is an American vehicle?' thread. Being worldly I'm certain that you know that 'profit' is a theoretical construct which is relatively meaningless. Cash flow from continuing operations is much more useful. It shows where the green actually goes - usually back into plant, equipment, new investments and eventually into my 401k among others in Hamburg, Paris, New Delhi and Kyoto. But we digress
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Escape Hybrid 0% by jkinzel
Mar 16, 2006 (6:32 am)
Ford offers 0-percent financing on Escape Hybrid
Deal good only in California, Washington, D.C.
http://autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage?ws=uf
 
Almost seems like a desparation move.

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