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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 13, 2006 9:49 am) This is curious in that there are a host of folks who HAVE declared themselves anti diesel. In fact CA has attempted to and has been successful in BANNING new car diesel sales. So if that is your "ANTI" way of saying you are anti diesel, then I would agree with you saying you are anti diesel. So I would stop mischaracterizing folks as being anti hybrid, when it is your politically "correct" way of saying you are anti diesel. |
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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 13, 2006 9:49 am) Wahhaaahhhhaaaahhhaaaaahhaa! Toyota built and entirely new plant in Texas to build what? Prius? Nope. Hybrid? Nope? Larger, more powerful, less fuel efficient truck? Yes. Toyota builds what in Princeton, Indiana? Prius? Nope. Hybrid? Wrong answer. Full size SUV's and trucks that obtain less than 20 mpg highway with a V8? Yes. Toyota invests in TWO plants in the USA to manufacture large gas guzzlers and has yet to build one Prius in the US. Does Toyota know something that they are not telling us? Gosh, I can not condone buying a vehicle from a company that attacks the environment with huge, gas guzzling trucks and SUV's.  Toyota is playing a shell game with it's environmental image and it's environmental reality.
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 13, 2006 10:52 am)
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Replying to: john1701a (Mar 13, 2006 9:49 am) Just as you have fed the anti-diesel diatribe. However I did go and test drive the Prius. Have you driven a modern diesel car. Or do you just listen to extremist sources of information concerning the evils of diesel. I am willing to look at all possible solutions to the energy problems. Are You? |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Mar 13, 2006 10:56 am) |
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 13, 2006 10:52 am) Something interesting in your comments here. I think the correct word is hypocrisy. Toyota is engaging in hypocrisy. They advertise that they are trying save the environment with cars like the Prius but then mostly push their trucks and larger SUVs in their ads.
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Replying to: winter2 (Mar 13, 2006 1:33 pm) |
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Avensis Wagon Toyota offers the Avensis Wagon and Sedan with diesel in Europe, but who in their right mind would buy a Avensis diesel when they could own a Prius?  Avensis Wagon different angle quote Toyota UK -2.2 litre D-4D direct injection engine will take the Avensis past 62 mph in 9.3 sec. and on to 130 mph, yet its fuel economy is rated at just 47.1 mpg combined and its NOx emissions no greater than those of the 2.0 litre 114 bhp D-4D. 2.0 litre turbocharged D-4D engine* - 114 bhp, maximum torque of 280 Nm, maximum speed 121 mph, acceleration to 62 mph in 11.4 seconds, fuel economy on the combined cycle 48.7 mpg, CO2 emissions 155 g/km. * Figures based on Avensis saloon. D4D engines....drool.....  It makes sense if you think about it....if I owned a Avensis and HiLux with D4D I'd never need to buy a new vehicle again in my lifetime.
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Replying to: moparbad (Mar 13, 2006 1:49 pm) Do like the specs on the engine. |
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I have a story to tell... This last summer my wife and I took a trip around Europe in a Peugeot 407 2.0 HDI 6 speed that we leased for 1 month. The car could go 220 kmp on highway and it would corner so well that it was beyond reproach. I don't have the handling numbers for it, but I did drive the new bmw 330i here in the US before I went over there. I know that Peugeot is a FWD and that BMW is RWD, but overall handling of the Peugeot was, in my opinion, superior to BMW. The transmition of the Peugeot was set up so that you reach 40 kmp in first, 80 second and i think about 115 third. I am a hard-core type of guy when it comes to cars, but given a choice I'd take that diesel over any similarly powered gas engine even if it was a hybrid. PSA rocks. When it comes to the environment, I'd like to add that the chemicals used to create batteries, and energy used to create batteries and the whole hybrid powertrain is pretty bad. Where and how are you going to dispose of those batteries? What if they leak? What fuel do you think was used to make the batteries out of ore? There is no way around the fact that people will drive whatever they think will portray them as environmentally conscious or will save them money. If you want to save the world there is only 1 solution. Here it is, so pay attention. Huge increase of tax on fuel. If I were the government, I'd hit the tax so that gas was 5 dollars. I'd also allow only people who are in transport business to buy gasoline with almost no tax, so that the price of goods delivered does not increase. All of the money extra earned (trillions) I would devote to research of alternative fuels. Since anything short of atomic power won't cut it this is where I'd go. We don't have much time. Fuel will be running out, and countries that have the last reserves will have great negotiating power. US is not one of those countries. This is a bigger problem than most people realize, and you will see it happen in your lifetime. This is unlike 70's. China and other countries need more fuel to support their growing economies. There will be problems. Meanwhile we are digging ourselves in by having cheap fuel. |
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