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Toyota Camry, Toyota Camry Solara, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
#999 of 1185 Re: Driving Style [210delray]
Jan 11, 2010 (7:31 pm)
" think we keep telling you it's not going to stay at 30+ mpg unless you stay on the highway, all the time. That's been my experience in 13 years of Camry ownership, all 4-cylinder automatics (3 cars, 2 owned currently).
The EPA estimates say the same thing: 22 city, 32 highway."
I know what you are saying, BUT the EPA estimates said 20 city and 29 highway for my 1997 Camry CE and it got OVER 30-32 MPG overall fuel economy very easily without any problem. What I am trying to tell you is that the EPA estimates for my 1997 Camry CE were MUCH LESS than the EPA estimates for the 2010 Camry LE and that the 97 Camry got MUCH BETTER MPG fuel economy than what my 2010 Camry is getting.
My argument and gripe here is that with all the bull$hit advanced engineering that Toyota put into its current 2.5L i-Tech engine, the current 2010 model Camry LE should be able to get at least 30 MPG overall fuel economy. What good is a more advanced engine and transmission if it's NOT getting the 30-32 MPG fuel economy? Especially on a 4 cylinder Camry.
It's all bull$hit if Toyota has the know-how to build a more advanced and a much better 2.5L engine and transmission and if it cannot get better MPG fuel economy out of this same engine. Toyota has "failed" in my opinion with its efforts to have its newer non-hybrid gasoline engines attain better and higher fuel economy. If so much technological advancement has been put into these current 2.5L engines and transmissions, they should be getting at least an average of 30 MPG fuel economy. This isn't happening and Toyota's EPA estimates for its current 2010 Camry LE are nothing but bull$hit estimates. Toyota should instead state on their EPA estimates that the current 2010 Camry LE is only good for 20 MPG city/24 MPG highway and they should void the 22 city/32 highway MPG estimates.
Only then will they have more accurate EPA figures for the 2010 Camry LE.
#1000 of 1185 Re: Camry Hybrid MPG [wjtinatl]
Jan 11, 2010 (8:10 pm)
"Just did a 550 mile 90% highway stint in a 2010 Camry Hybrid. A Hertz rental with 18k on it. Temps between 17 and 40 degrees headed down from Atlanta to Baton Rouge. Reset the MPG meter when I left the Hertz lot and it now shows 32.8 mpg and average speed of 74 mph. No A/C use, only one person, very light traffic. Can't say I'm impressed as my last Hertz renatl, a 2010 Fusion 4cyl Automatic averaged 29 mog on a similar, though not identical trip. Also, the spongy throttle response of the Hybrid/CVT powertrain ruin the otherwise smooth and polished Camry drivetrain. I know Hybrid's don't shine on highway trips, but I expected better mileage."
I bet that you would get in the high 30's to low 40's in MPG fuel economy if you were driving between 55 to 60 MPH in that Camry Hybrid Hertz rental. If you were doing 74 MPH and only got 32.8 to 33 MPG in it that's not bad at all. You would be getting much higher MPG fuel economy if you drove the same vehicle at a much lower highway speed.
I wish that I could get 30 to 31 MPG in my 2010 Camry LE while driving 74 MPH in it. I would be very happy.
I wouldn't complain if I were you. That's excellent fuel economy that you got in your 2010 Camry Hybrid rental driving at 74 MPH. Imagine what you could have gotten for fuel economy if you drove that same exact vehicle at 55-60 MPH.
#1001 of 1185 Re: Camry Hybrid MPG [gtgtcobra]
Jan 11, 2010 (9:51 pm)
I took a look at this forum just out of curiosity. Until recently I was driving an 08 Saturn XE with the 3.5 229HP V6 for business. On interstate runs at 70 - 75 MPH, the car always averaged 30+ MPG. I swapped it for a 2010 Honda with a 4 cylinder - 5AT, and, the best she's done so far is 25 MPG under the same conditions. What really aggravates me is the fact that my other car, an 06 Jaguar S-Type with the 300 HP V8 and 6 speed tranny, also delivers right at 30 MPG on long interstate runs. On a long run across Ohio with the lower speed limits, running 65, I got 34.5 MPG average out of her. To me the Honda's highway EPA rating is a sick joke.
#1002 of 1185 Re: Camry Hybrid MPG [oldcem]
Jan 11, 2010 (10:55 pm)
"I took a look at this forum just out of curiosity. Until recently I was driving an 08 Saturn XE with the 3.5 229HP V6 for business. On interstate runs at 70 - 75 MPH, the car always averaged 30+ MPG. I swapped it for a 2010 Honda with a 4 cylinder - 5AT, and, the best she's done so far is 25 MPG under the same conditions. What really aggravates me is the fact that my other car, an 06 Jaguar S-Type with the 300 HP V8 and 6 speed tranny, also delivers right at 30 MPG on long interstate runs. On a long run across Ohio with the lower speed limits, running 65, I got 34.5 MPG average out of her. To me the Honda's highway EPA rating is a sick joke."
Touche! I couldn't have said it better myself.
I feel the same exact way about the 2010 Camry LE. The Camry's EPA rating is also a sick joke too. Let's all get real here. The newer 2.5L "advanced engineered" (yeah right) 4 cylinder engine should be getting an overall average of 30 MPG fuel economy. It isn't though.
Toyota's EPA 22 MPG city/32 MPG highway rating for the new 2010 Camry LE is nothing but a bull$hit rating. The EPA rating numbers that Toyota states do NOT jive with the "real" MPG fuel economy numbers that the Camry actually gets.
I can't wait until my 3 year lease is up. The next time around I am going to lease either a Hybrid Camry or a VW CC. At least with the Hybrid Camry I know that I will for sure be getting "at least" 33 to 34 MPG overall fuel economy.
And if I select the VW CC, I will at least know that I have a much better looking and better built car than the American built Camry. The VW CC is built 100% in Eben, Germany and it has a much higher build quality than the Camry and the MPG fuel economy is about the same as the current 2010 Camry that I am driving right now (around 22 to 25 MPG).
I am so sick and tired of driving around in a vehicle which should be getting better MPG fuel economy that isn't.
Toyota should put more attention and care in making the Camry more fuel efficient so it can get much higher MPG fuel economy. The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.
#1003 of 1185 Re: Camry Hybrid MPG [gtgtcobra]
Jan 12, 2010 (5:32 am)
The EPA rating numbers that Toyota states do NOT jive with the "real" MPG fuel economy numbers that the Camry actually gets.
The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.
I completely disagree. Maybe for YOU. Sorry to hear that, but my mpg has been great. Of course, I did not worry about it until I had 3,000 miles on it. I got 31.5 on my work commutes - this was in the summer using the A/C, and not all highway. I'll let you know what I am getting now in the winter - I bet below 30, because of the cold. I am perfectly happy with mine.
#1004 of 1185 Re: Driving Style [gtgtcobra]
Jan 12, 2010 (5:54 am)
I didn't read through your entire posts, but man, give the new car a chance. It's hardly broken in yet, and the weather's been too cold. Take it on a long trip in March or April and let us know how you do.
Regarding the EPA figures, they are estimates. But if you drove exactly as is done in the EPA tests, in the same ambient temperatures, your mileage should be very close.
The older Camry was a stick, and if you know what you're doing, you can definitely get better mileage with a manual.
If you really wanted 30 mpg overall, maybe you should have considered buying a smaller car, such as a Corolla or Fit, both of which are readily available with a stick. Or maybe the gas guzzling Dodge you have is the real problem!
Jan 12, 2010 (8:52 am)
If I judged the mpg of my car on a few tanks in the winter I would be horrible dissapointed in about 28 mpg over 4 tanks this month with plenty of highway driving.
In reality I have averaged 34.5 mpg over 77,000 miles and have had a 10 tank rolling average as high as 39.8 and a 50 tank rolling average as high as 36.2 mpg. Yes I put every tank into xcel.
Give your cars time to break in. Make sure you have enough air pressure (mine dropped 8 psi recently because of the cold spell - pressure drops with temp), use 0w-20 synthetic oil (new standard for Toyota and very efficient), keep speeds down, don't warm the car up in the morning, and most importantly wait for warmer weather.
BTW as I mentioned earlier I have an Accord with the stick so my numbers will probably be hard to match (because of the stick not because it is an Accord). The same principals apply and there will be the same difference in winter mpg.
#1006 of 1185 Re: - [dudleyr]
Jan 12, 2010 (9:57 am)
What psi do you do?
#1007 of 1185 Re: Driving Style [gtgtcobra]
Jan 12, 2010 (2:37 pm)
I think that to get a good gauge for your highway segment you should take a trip from Boston (?) down I84 to NYC and back. Except for Hartford you should be able to maintain a good solid highway speed and get a solid measurement.
Cold weather, poor traction, stopping for any reason and short trips will kill your fuel economy.
I had perfect conditions back in the Fall when I used the 2.5L XLE for several weeks. I was able to get 36-39 mpg for the entire time while my Prius was in the shop.
85% leisurely highway driving at 60-63 mph and nearly no stops;
90 min trips, none longer, none shorter;
No pressure on the pedal;
Warm to cool weather;
Dead flat terrain
No bad weather to reduce traction.
The loaner had 2500 miles on it when I first got it. I was highly impressed.
#1008 of 1185 Re: Driving Style [kdhspyder]
Jan 12, 2010 (8:16 pm)
"I think that to get a good gauge for your highway segment you should take a trip from Boston (?) down I84 to NYC and back. Except for Hartford you should be able to maintain a good solid highway speed and get a solid measurement."
As a matter of fact, I actually "did" drive from Massachusetts all the way down to I84 to Hartford, Connecticut early this afternoon. I just returned back home to Massachusetts just a few minutes ago.
I drove 100% highway round trip going down there and coming back home. The speed that I was doing driving all the way down to CT was constant between 50 MPH and 58 MPH. Then when I was driving back home to Massachusetts from CT., I was doing a constant speed of 50 to 55 MPH during the first 1/2 of the way home and then a constant speed between 55 and 63 MPH during the second 1/2 of the way back home. The total distance from my house in Massachusetts all the way to Hartford and back was exactly 159 miles.
Just so you know, I filled the tank up in my Camry yesterday afternoon. The trip odometer in my Camry LE was also reset to zero (0) after I filled the tank yesterday, so it only had 22 miles on it earlier this afternoon before I left Massachusetts for the trip down to Connecticut.
After doing the round trip from Mass. to CT. and back home to Mass., I now have a total of 181 miles on the trip odometer in my Camry.
With all this driving, the needle on the gas gauge is currently positioned exactly on the "first smaller line marker" that's located just below the 3/4 tank thick white line marker.
So far, I used up a little more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline to drive a TOTAL OF 181 MILES of which 159 miles were 100% ALL highway miles and the other 22 miles were 100% all city miles driving around town.
(159 miles all highway driving + 22 miles all city driving = 181 Total miles driven)
I "estimate" that I already used up between 5 to 6 gallons of gasoline driving a total of 181 miles since my full tank gas fill-up yesterday because the gasoline gauge needle is located currently just below the 3/4 tank line marker right now.
If I do the MPG calculation using 5 gallons, I get 36 MPG fuel economy.
(181 total miles driven/ 5 gallons used = 36 MPG)
If I do the MPG calculation using 6 gallons, I get 30 MPG fuel economy.
(181 total miles driven/ 6 gallons used = 30 MPG)
I am not sure if my calculations are 100% correct, but I think that I got either 36 MPG or 30 MPG fuel economy driving a total of 181 miles since the last time that I filled up the tank yesterday.
What do you "THINK" that my current "TRUE" MPG fuel economy is right now after driving a total of 181 miles and using up a little bit more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline?
From all of the information that I've given above on where the current location of the gas gauge needle is located one line just below the thick while 3/4 tank line marker, do you think that I burned 5 gallons of gasoline or 6 gallons of gasoline driving the 181 miles?
What do you think? I would love to hear from you what your views are on what you really think that the "true actual" MPG fuel economy is right now from the current 181 mile trip that I took in my Camry LE with all the driving conditions and driving habits that I listed and stated above and from where the current location of the gasoline gauge needle is currently located?