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Replying to: phd86 (Feb 28, 2006 9:50 pm) On my cross-country trip: a) I don't see how the extra weight could not have bogged down the mileage: about 470 pounds for the 3 people, plus the trunk was fully loaded (including heavy items like a nightstand and books), as was the left rear seat (upholstered dining-room type chair, small end table, and more books). I would not be surprised if we were close to the max payload of the car (900 pounds). b) We accumulated 90 miles in Arches Nat'l Park alone (admittedly not a city, but all speed limits there were 45 mph or less, with lots of starts and stops for overlooks and short walks). We also spent lots of time touring small towns for their architectural glories, including in CO alone the towns of Delta, Montrose, Gunnison, Salida, Canon City, and Pueblo. So a LOT more than 200 miles was accumulated in towns. c) We saw temps as low as +10 degrees (F) in eastern NV, +15 in eastern Utah, +14 on Monarch Pass, CO, and closer to home, +24 on Cheat Mountain, WV. There most definitely was snow and ice present, generally not ON the road, because of excellent salting and snow plowing, in all of the higher altitude areas of NV, UT, CO, and WV, as well as western KS. We first traveled north out of the LA basin and then basically east along US routes 6, 50, 56, and farther on, I-70, SR 32 (Ohio), and US 250. Only on one day did temps exceed 60 degrees. The most common brand of gas we used happened to be Shell, using the lowest grade of 87 (except midgrade 87 or 88 in the high-altitude areas of NV, UT, and CO).
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| After 105,000 miles, the overall average in 28.3 MPG, adjusted for the 3.2% odo error (low). Highest observed over at least 1,000 miles is 32 MPG, running at a steady 65-70 MPH with non-ethanol gas and no A/C. The mileage is very sensitive to tire pressure; I keep it at 32 LB. A/C reduces mileage by about 1.5 MPG. Lowest observed is winter driving where it drops to about 22 MPG. | |
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I'm getting pretty consistant 27 MPG. 80% city 20 % highway. Actually maybe even more city then 80%. I keep the wheels full of air. I just started running Mobil 1 synthetic not sure if it has upped the mileage any, it may have. Also it's an automatic with 77,000 miles in Florida Ac running all of its life. |
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| We own a 1998 Toyota Camry Le, with 115,000 miles, we get around 23-25 MPG in winter, and in the summer, 28-32 MPG. We have the 2.2 4cyl. | |
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Replying to: 210delray (Mar 04, 2006 10:10 pm) a) you have no evidence at all of any significant relationship of weight load to mileage, and nothing from your prior posts supports greater mileage. b) don't buy guesses on what you drove unless you recorded it. I've been to most of those small towns. It does not take that much driving to do site-seeing. If you didn't record it, you don't know. You are guessing. c) likewise, you have no evidence at all of the effect of cold air temperatures on mileage; your comments of temperatures "as low as" this or that indicates that those were the daily lows. I'm not sure whether your point was that lower temperatures increase, decrease, or have no effect on mileage. The other thought is that this "excellent" road maintenance indicates there was no snow or ice on the roads. Now, as far as my car (2004 LE)....I don't have my records in front of me, but I filled it up yesterday, and went a whopping 349 miles on 16.2 gallons, or 21.54 miles per gallon. That's the best mileage this car has got in about 5 tankfuls; but occurred with more freeway miles - 31.52% freeway (i.e., overdrive, no stopping, 60-65 mph, roundtrip from Sacramento to Lockeford, 110 miles, 110/349 = .3152). YIPPEE! But no arguments here. We're just exchanging ideas, right? So I have one for you. Do you have another car? If so, why not drive your camry for three consecutive tankfuls with zero highway miles, that is, none at all. In return, I'll switch to shell, and we can exchange data. My prediction is that you will get alot closer to CR's 16 mpg than you will to EPA's 23.
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It does not take much city mileage to really hurt the highway mileage. Really it makes more sense to compare the amount of time driving each not the amount of miles (if you are estimating). You can drive 50 miles hwy and 50 city, but if the highway takes 45 minutes, and the city takes 3 hours, then the vast majority of your driving is in the city. It is gallons used in city vs gallons used on the highway that is important, not the number of miles driven. Say you drive a car that gets 25 mpg on the highway. 50 miles is 2 gallons. The same car gets 10 mpg in the city and uses 5 gallons. If the miles driven was a controlling factor, then the mpg should be 35 mpg (25 + 10) divided by 2 or 17.5 mpg, since equel miles were drivin under each circumstance. In reality the car got 100 miles divided by 7 gallons, or 14.3 mpg. Don't forget you can't really compare city driving, unless the same person drives the same route under the same conditions. Highway is more repeatable, but there are still plenty of variables. |
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Replying to: phd86 (Mar 14, 2006 2:35 pm) I did keep some pretty detailed mileage logs for the cross-country trip, but I didn't specifically log miles driven in towns vs. highway mileage. My mileage recordings had the start and end points for each day, as well as key intersections, state lines, larger towns, points of interest, etc. along the way. Here's what I have (again) on the '04 Camry: 04 LE 4 cyl 4A: Overall mileage from 19 miles (new, with a full tank of gas) to 15,802 miles: 27.3 mpg (15,783 miles, 578.84 gallons) Best 3 highway mileage readings in that period (with 2 consecutive tankfuls): 35.5 mpg (709.5 miles, 20.01 gallons) mostly freeway 34.9 mpg (815.1 miles, 23.37 gallons) mostly freeway 30.4 mpg (686.9 miles, 22.62 gallons) mostly divided highway w/ traffic lights. Worst 3 city (small town in our case) mileage readings in that period (single tankful, but at least 10 gallons added): 22.4 mpg (234.6 miles, 10.47 gallons) 23.1 mpg (267.1 miles, 11.54 gallons) 23.1 mpg (241.0 miles, 10.45 gallons) I cannot do what you asked (drive the car only in town for 3 weeks), since I have to go to work. What I am going to do, which I said before, is use the '04 Camry for commuting in place of my '98 Nissan Frontier, which got 26 mpg consistently (tank after tank), because it was driven almost the same way for each tankful. We'll see if the '04 Camry can do better. I also will follow up on the overall mileage to date (excluding the time my son had the car) on the '04 Camry, now with 34,600+ miles, as well as info on the '05 Camry, which now has 11,000+ miles. As I said before, the '05 Camry definitely does not do as well as the '04, even though it has the same engine (but 5-speed auto instead of 4-speed auto).
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| Data looks good to me. Splitting hairs to need more accuracy than that. You can never accurately compare city between two different routes, but will be interesting to see what the commute in the Camry yields. | |
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Replying to: 210delray (Mar 15, 2006 8:16 pm) I have a question regarding you 05' Camry getting worse gas mileage than your 04'. Why do you think this is?
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