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Honda Pilot, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Apr 07, 2008 (8:18 am)
Took my 2007 Pilot AWD in for service. They changed the oil and differential gear oil. They also checked the transmission shifts and the fuel trim. No error codes for the transmission problems or the engine/fuel efficiency. The service writer did say he has driven the new Pilots and they seem "weird" to him, too, but he can't fix a problem that does not show-up on diagnostic. I need to call Honda and report the situation.
I am still getting around 19 mpg on my regular suburban/rural commute.
#808 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [importmyride]
Apr 11, 2008 (11:19 am)
On March my March 24th post, explained how I took my 08 EX-L 4WD pilot into the dealer and he hooked up the diagnostic PC and we went for a 30 minute drive, recording 1 minute intervals of data. He sent the data out to Honda Tech Line.
The regional Honda Rep and my dealership’s service director called me today to discuss the results. The word back from Honda Tech Line is that the data shows that my pilot is just like every other 08 and everything is "normal". While the Rep agrees that there IS something wrong with the shifting in his pilot and mine, Honda will not do anything unless more complaints are received. I asked the Rep “How many complaints will it take?”. He did not know… but indicated that unless the problem is a safety issue, a major defect resulting parts breaking prematurely, or impacting sales, Honda would probably not spend the resources to fix it. The 09’s are rolling off the trucks in mid-May, so there won’t be as many 08’s on the street for owners to complain about.
Bottom line – we’re stuck with these POS’s. I am going to talk with the GM of the dealership and see what I can do to get out my lease or change to something else. Never thought I’d say it, but I’d even consider a mini-van over this pilot. Now I have 2500 miles, still getting less than 15MPG, and the shifting feels like Mr Toad’s Wild Ride. I have do deal with this for another 33 months? No thank you!!! I feel sorry for those of you that purchased.
For those of you who are having these same problems, make sure that Honda Tech Line hears your complaints. Don't let the dealer blow you off. Then, maybe in a year or two, Honda will address it… or not. I’ll go crazy before then. Good luck to all of you!!!!
#809 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Apr 12, 2008 (10:18 am)
Bottom line – we’re stuck with these POS’s. I am going to talk with the GM of the dealership and see what I can do to get out my lease or change to something else. Never thought I’d say it, but I’d even consider a mini-van over this pilot. Now I have 2500 miles, still getting less than 15MPG, and the shifting feels like Mr Toad’s Wild Ride. I have do deal with this for another 33 months? No thank you!!! I feel sorry for those of you that purchased. Spacedog
I am sorry that the Pilot doesn't work for you. However we don't need your sympathy. I took a long time to research a vehicle that would work for me and all the parameters that I had, the Pilot was the best choice for my present life situation. Yes, the fuel ecomony is not the best, but I KNOW an Insight or an Oddessy is not going to haul 3 growing boys, and their friends, and their sports gear and camping/ski trips on a logging road with some light toy towing (the need for 4WD and ground clearance) and of course the Costco runs to feed these ventures. I did look into Yukons, and Envoys, and Hilanders, and Explorers but they either didn't have the seating/cargo capacity and/or the fuel ecomony was even worse. My 07 4WD EXL is now a little over 6000 miles and its taken me a bit to readjust my driving style and my fuel ecomony can range from 14-16 mpg for strict city driving (all under 40 mph) and 19 - 22 mpg for highway (depending if I am towing or not). As for shift points... I was concerned as well in the beginning. My Pilot would shift at 33 -35 rpms constantly and it was a tad jarring... now with a better foot and 6000 miles later I usually shift at 25 rpms and it is smooth. Talking to my Honda techs (I have known 2 for a bazillion years, one being my bro) the acceptable and typical range is 27 - 33 rpms. This is not to say that each and every Pilot will do this each and everytime. I know my cold engine in winter tachs high even when I only use my pinkie toe on the accelerator... and it takes at least 5 - 10 minutes for the engine to settle down on cold mornings. Is this a design flaw... perhaps. But for me... right now, the Pilot is my best option. Talk to me in 15 years and I will have an S2000... just enough room for me, my caddy and my clubs in the trunk! By then fuel economy should be in the 100's!!
I hope you can work out a deal where you can switch your lease. I can understand how having the right vehicle is very important. Perhaps a CRV or an Oddessy would work better. Good luck.
#810 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Apr 12, 2008 (12:58 pm)
My MPG is 14-16 and it is what it is. My main concern is the steering wheel vibration which they say is normal. The tires have been balanced to death so the vibration is supposedly a characteristic of the Pilot - as per dealer. I didn't accept that answer so I'm being scheduled with the district service manager. If the DSM says it's normal, where do I go from there ? I don't think it's normal. None of my previous cars had the problem and none of them had the VCM feature. So I think it's VCM related. And yes, I also have the shifting that you described.
#811 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Apr 13, 2008 (1:47 am)
>"Now I have 2500 miles, still getting less than 15MPG, and the shifting feels like Mr Toad’s Wild Ride."
Is the shifting issue only that it shifts at higher RPM? Or is it also harsh.
When did the "Mr Toad’s Wild Ride" shifting begin?
#812 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Apr 16, 2008 (1:07 pm)
I have sent a letter to Honda about the transmission shifting, haven't heard anything yet. I only have the shifting problem on light acceleration. When I drive like everyone else (want to be the first one down the road) the Pilot is awesome, love that V-Tec. I still think my transmission will settle down with a few more miles and the motor will loosen up, too. Our 2004 Odyssey did.
#813 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [carabel]
Apr 17, 2008 (9:24 am)
Re: The wheel vibrations. I was getting this on my Toyota Sienna. I went to a tire shop and the guy told me they probably needed "harmonizing". I thought it was a scam and said to just do the front two. $50 later...worth every penny.
#814 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [geepers1]
Apr 17, 2008 (10:51 am)
Thanks Geepers. I traded a Sienna for the Pilot - lease end. The Sienna's ride was smooth as can be. And so was my Rav4 and Camry. 15 years of the Toyota brand with absolutely no problem. 2 months of the Pilot and the steering vibration is annoying as hell. Without it, the Pilot is a great drive. That harmonizing thing sounds like tire balancing which the dealer swore they did and checked over and over. Thanks, I'll keep all posted.
#815 of 1186 1st Fill-up, 2008 VP 2WD
Apr 20, 2008 (12:32 am)
After 323.6 miles, we had our 1st fill-up today of 18.25 gallons w/c translates to about 17.73 mpg. Driving was about 40% hwy, 60% short trips with gentle acceleration from stops. Terrain is flat (Houston, TX). Noticed that shifting at the lower gears usually occur around 2500 rpm. Right now, the Pilot is slightly used and is sometimes driven only on weekends (bought it in mid-Feb). Hope to have better mileage as my wife (it's her car) begins to drive it regularly to work using the freeway. This is the first time that I've paid $60 for a fill-up
#816 of 1186 Re: 04 Pilot [6buck]
Apr 21, 2008 (10:17 am)
I have a '03 Pilot and pulling a 2500 lb. boat plus the trailer dropped my milage almost in HALF!!! The engine is NOT a low torque one, so you'll be reving up the engine on any fairly steep climbs!!