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Honda Pilot, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#797 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Mar 26, 2008 (9:34 am)
On the 5th model year, you would think the engineers would have it tuned to perfection,....not my experience by a long shot. Gas mileage appears to be much worse in my 08
Everyone who comes to realize this finds it surprising. Maybe Honda engineers have, in this instance, improved performance at the cost of fuel efficiency.
I can only surmise that many new pilot owners take all of this high rev shifting, poor gas mileage as normal. I probably would too if I had not driven a pilot for 4 years.
I have a 2007 EXL 4WD. Same as the 2008 in this respect. I've considered the high revving to be normal, since many other people have reported it in this forum. But I am interested to see where this discussion is going, in particular some forum contributors taking up this issue with Honda as possibly being a defect.
Mar 26, 2008 (2:23 pm)
03 Pilot with 60k on it. A lot of factors contribute to the mpg of your vehicle. Type of tires you have, Tire pressure, Winter bend fuel vs summer bend for cold climates. How often the vehicle is using 4 wheel drive, Mechanical condition. One other thing to consider is what type of gas you purchase. From my own tests in my opinion it seems to make a difference. Discount gas or top tier gas. Better fuel, better mileage.
I average 17 in town and 22 on the hwy. In the winter I get a mile or two less when it's very cold and in the summer a mile or two more.
#799 of 1186 Re: Mpg factors [minnesnowta1]
Mar 26, 2008 (4:01 pm)
You don't mean top tier being premium gas ? Or do you mean discount gas being non Shell/Mobil/BP, etc name brands ? Because premium gas will not make a difference unless you are towing heavy loads. Otherwise, on regular driving, use regular gas - 87 octane and money spent on premium is a total waste.
#800 of 1186 Re: Model Year 04-08 Specs [justaveragejoe]
Mar 26, 2008 (8:09 pm)
I'm no guru when it comes to figuring out how, why or what specifically affects mileage and up to what extent, although i'm quite aware of the following to affect mileage in a certain way:
1. up to about 260 lbs curb weight difference from the base model 2WD VP to the 4WD EXL/SE models.
2. regular load on the vehicle (i.e. passengers, baggages, running/step boards, extras, etc.)
3. tire pressure & over-all vehicle maintenance
4. how the vehicle was broken-in by the owner and to include the time it's sitting on the dealer's lot(i.e. this is also why i prefer to get fresh-off-the-truck vehicles, as i don't know how those vehicles sitting on the lot were test driven by other customers, if i may say, there are those who trash vehicles during test drives and even push it to the limits).
5. driving style
6. driving environment including terrain type, wind factor, weather temp, road quality, etc.
i also tend to agree that the sum of the individual parts (i.e. which may vary in individual quality) may perform a bit differently together and could explain the apparent difference in mileage or performance or even having a .
i used to have a 1988 pathfinder (yes 1988, not a typo) which i was surprised that the dealer offer to take as a trade-in when i got our pilot. mileage on the 3.0 Ltr 4WD V6 pathfinder was a measly 13.5 to 14.0 mpg city and 15 to 16.5 mpg hiway . that's why before purchasing the 3.5 Ltr pilot, even just getting a few notches +/- the EPA mpg of 16/22 city/hiway was good enough for me.
just my .02
#801 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [justaveragejoe]
Mar 27, 2008 (4:53 am)
>"I don't believe that the transmission shift points are effecting my HIGHWAY mileage at all......I have stated before that with so many components that must work together in a vehicle, a few can combine to effect performance or efficiency. I just wish I could figure out what and/or why I don't get better gas mileage...."
I don't think the shift points are affecting the HIGHWAY mileage either. I do believe the 3000 RPM minimum shifts points may be an indicator of another problem that could be affecting your mileage.
I believe most will agree that a cold engine requires more fuel to operate.
Both our CR-V and Pilot have higher shift points when the engine is cold.
So we have 2 things in common with a cold engine.
1. Higher shift points, the driver can see and feel.
2. A richer fuel mixture, the driver can not see or feel, But knows it must be happening.
With either of my cars, I understand from 5 years of driving them, that they shift at about 3000 when cold. Once warm they shift much lower.
There are sensors, smoke and mirrors, and probably some "Voo-Doo" that send information to the computer when the engine reaches operating temperature. Shift points become lower and the fuel mixture leans out.
If for any reason the computer does not "Know" the engine is "Warm", it could continue to keep the shifts points high and fuel rich. There could be no errors recorded, because all sensors think they are still looking at a cold engine.
I believe that to be a very real possibility.
Joe, I agree that some vehicles simply refuse to co-operate. But sometimes the problem can be simple and hidden in plain view.
I don't believe the slight difference in gear ratios of the older and newer Pilots have that much affect. Many folks have reported "Good" mileage with their newer Pilots. My neighbor and son are getting good mileage with their "Lower geared" 07 Ridgelines.
\PS.. FWIW: the ILP was done on both those Ridgelines.
#802 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [kipk]
Mar 29, 2008 (5:35 am)
E10 Factor - has anyone considered the mpg and performance impact of these blended gasolines ? The state of FL just mandated all gas pumps to have E10's. While reports say little or no impact, I've read them with uncertainty. Any comments will be appreciated.
#803 of 1186 Close But Not Quite 20mpg
Mar 30, 2008 (5:25 pm)
Got 19.5mpg from my 2007 EXL 4WD for a 400+ mile trip this weekend. Almost all highway. Used cruise control a lot, set at 70mph. 5 people + overnight bags. Actually I could not make it all the way there and back on the same tank of gas. I had to stop for gas after 380 miles. It took 19.5 gallons. Oh well. Maybe next time. Oh, and by the way, the fill up cost $67! Ouch.
#804 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [carabel]
Apr 02, 2008 (5:24 am)
As far as ethanol (E10) goes it has very little affect if any. MInnesota has required 10% ethanol for years, Wisconsin hasn't. I see no differrence with my Subaru Outback (28mpg) or our Tahoe (19mpg). For my Outback temperature is the biggiest issue. Below 35F the mpg starts dropping. I have noticed about 1 mpg difference between brands of gas. So far E10 gas at Shell has been the best and I sometimes get just short of 30mpg highway with it. My AWD Subaru was rated for 27mpg highway in 2001 and now has a 25mpg rating.
Now if you go upto E85, then you will see a difference. I haven't tried it yet in our Tahoe, but it can burn it.
#805 of 1186 New Personal Best
Apr 03, 2008 (7:05 pm)
2007 EXL. Got 21.72mpg for a trip of 290 miles. Almost all highway approx 70mph. This is our best ever mpg in any fill-up with our Pilot.
My family made this trip in 2 vehicles, with one following the other. The other vehicle, a 6 cylinder sport sedan (and the lead car) got 33.1mpg (about 50% better) for the same trip. Now I don't feel so good about my new mpg record for my Pilot.
#806 of 1186 Re: Shift at over 3,000 RPM's???? [spacedog]
Apr 07, 2008 (6:11 am)
Spacedog & other fellow '08 Honda Pilot Owners,
EXACT same situation experienced with my brand new (less than one week old) Pilot--except for gas milage--I get 13 mpg !!!!! The shifting thing is freaking me out and sadly for me a very familiar feel. It's the reason why I had to buy a new car to begin with. My 2000 Ford Windstar minivan started having shifting problems (would not fully shift into higher gears) and the transmission went out complete with engine damage (caused from the transmission shifting problem). To tell you the truth, I wanted to return this bad boy altogether and head back to the mazda dealership, but.....I'm the proud owner of a new Honda Pilot like it or not.
I've got to see the dealer end of this week to have a wind deflector installed, so I intend to have them drive it with me to check out this "problem". I think we all know they'll tell me, "that's just the way it drives, nothing to worry about, just get used to it--you haven't had a new car in a while, dear".....blah, blah, blah.
I'm not a techie, so give me the heads up on exactly what to point out to them. IF this is indeed a problem for the new '08's, I'd like to help with identifying it.
having buyer's remorse.....