Last post on Oct 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM
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Honda Pilot, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#1169 of 1186 Re: Really bad mileage [tomslen]
Dec 27, 2012 (1:14 am)
I agree with whattodo2 .
Gas brands can make a difference. And for some "unknown" to me reason even certain stations seem to yield better mileage.
There are also other culprits that can sneak up on us over time.
Here are just a few.
1, Dirty fuel injectors and other fuel delivery components. Once they have gotten dirty, sometimes the only thing that will clean them up is whatever they do at the Honda Dealer. That can cost near $100. So trying a bottle or 2 of a fuel injector cleaner that you add to your fuel tank might be a worthwhile option. Also using a "Top Tier" fuel can help clean them, as well as to keep them clean. This link will yell you all about "Top Tier" as well as where to find it. http://www.toptiergas.com/
2. Driving habits, such as "Foot weight" etc can change as we become more lax concerning fuel mileage. But also even slight changes in commute distances, heavier traffic, any additional traffic lights? Cold weather, especially combined with short distances are real MPG killers.
3. "ILP" : Several years ago our 03 Pilot suddenly dropped 3-4 mpg across the board for no apparent reason. Seems it had less than 10K miles on the clock.
Tried several things to no avail. Then someone suggested doing the "ILP" (Idle learn Procedure). I did it and the mileage returned.
The ILP is part of the dealers "Get Ready" procedure and may or may not actually get done. Within that procedure, it says to do it when ever the battery has gone dead, or been replaced, or certain fuses have been pulled. In my case the battery had been disconnected while doing some wiring stuff, just prior to the mileage drop. FWIW the idle never seemed to be affected, but the fuel mileage was. kipk, "Honda Pilot Real World MPG" #201, 30 Dec 2006 4:02 am Some folks think it is BS and others got results. Only takes a short time to do CORRECTLY, and worked for us.
4. Stale gas. A gov report I read said that Ethanol blends tend to deteriorate quicker than the pure Dino fuels did. They suggested buying gas from "Busy station" where the gas doesn't have time to sit in their storage tanks and go bad.
Also to run the pump on it's lowest setting. This helps prevent sucking up sediment from the storage tank.
When the pump clicks "OFF" the first time, stop! Topping off to where you can see gas in the filler tube can damage some parts of the Ennissions.
Jan 02, 2013 (5:48 pm)
Guys, I agree with most of the suggestions but am surprised no one is mentioned top tier gas. Honda even puts this suggestion in their manual now.
Google it ... I don't burn anything else. Not just for the mileage, but more so to ensure my injectors and engine stay clean.
#1171 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [beachin2]
Jan 03, 2013 (4:28 am)
I spoke of Top Tier Fuel in the post just above yours. (Post #1169)
Supposedly TOP TIER gas IS SUPPOSED TO simply HELP KEEP THE FUEL SYSTEM CLEANER. I totally agree with you, in that TT gas seems to deliver better mileage for us, from tank to tank. Especially on the road.
We traded our 03 Pilot for an 09 Ridgeline. And although the RL doesn't get the MPG of the Pilot, it does OK. On a recent trip to Indiana, from South of Atlanta, we got 23.9 mpg going up and 24.9 on the return, driving the posted speed limits. Approximately 550 miles each way with Cruise control operating most of the time, and AC about half the time.
We can better that by 1-2 mpg, when driving 62 mph, but there were too many trucks, and it made more "safety" sense to drive the higher speeds.
My neighbor has an 07 Ridgeline and is a conservative driver. Driving the posted speed limits, he averages 20-22mpg on the road. He saves 3-5 cents per gallon using "CHEAP" gas.
I keep a list of the Top Tier Brands in my cars, and look for them when on the Road. http://www.toptiergas.com/
#1172 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [kipk]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 03, 2013 (5:06 am)
I'm one of those who isn't convinced.
Top Tier Gas
(you got better mpg going to Atlanta because it was downhill all the way. )
#1173 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [steve_]
Jan 03, 2013 (7:21 am)
My neighbor isn't convinced either.
He seems to feel he is better qualified than BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi. Of course his mileage is 7%-10% worse than mine. But he saves 1%-4% on fuel prices.
For me personally I will stick with Top Tier. Real world, it is the same price as BP and other Top Brands that are not Top Tier.
You may be more right than wrong about the downhill thingie.
We always get 1-2 better mpg driving "downhill" to Myrtle Beach, than the return "Uphill" to Home. Provided all other conditions are the same.
Of course the prevailing winds from West to East likely play most of that.
#1174 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [kipk]
Jan 03, 2013 (7:36 am)
The second of these 2 videos is funny.
Don't know how anyone could call that gal a "Super Model". But it must be true! Cause you can't put anything on the internet that isn't true! Right?
#1175 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [kipk]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 03, 2013 (7:56 am)
He seems to feel he is better qualified than BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi.
Which begs the question of why Ford and Chrysler and the others didn't sign on. It's even more interesting that Top Tier is trademarked by GM, the same people that gave us Dex-Cool and Dexos.
Funny thing is that my local "off-brand" station that I usually use paid the fee and is Top Tier.
#1176 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [steve_]
Jan 03, 2013 (8:39 am)
Well...! They are "Ford and Chrysler and the others". I don't purchase their products any longer, so I don't try to understand their logic.
Maybe they need to rethink this thing. Ford is experiencing more than it's share of problems.
Don't know who owns Chrysler this week. Is it still Fiat? Others are others, also rans!
Doesn't matter whose name the "TradeMark" is in. But, could be, it is because GM thought of it first, and the other manufacturers thought it to be worthwhile. One of those mfg being HONDA! Another being Toyota. Of which we own one of each. So I pay attention when they recommend something that they don't sell.
BTW, how do you know there is any kind of fee involved to be a Top Tier Supplier? How much is it and to whom is it paid?
GM does have a good idea.... occationally! Top Tier may have been one of them. Are they still the largest auto/truck mfg in the world?. Or have they been overtaken by Toyota or other.
I buy from "QT" Stations eveny chance I get, and they are generally less expensive than most others in our neck of the woods. They were an off brand at one time! But now
one of the most sucessful in the area.
The day of the "service station" as I grew up with are pretty much gone. Now they are mostly Fuel stations/Convience stores. So I applaude QT for selling their fuel at less $$ than the competitions. Of course that brings in more customers to their inside store.
#1177 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [kipk]
Jan 03, 2013 (10:29 am)
"... BTW, how do you know there is any kind of fee involved to be a Top Tier Supplier? How much is it and to whom is it paid? ..."
It is not a fee per se, but the gas is more expensive from the Top Tier refiners, and the stations pass that cost along.
One thing I find interesting is (I've read) that the station owner does not have a lot of choice on price; the same brand may be more expensive at a different station because that is how the refiner sells it. I don't know exactly how they determine the pricing. Maybe location?
#1178 of 1186 Re: Top tier gas [kipk]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 03, 2013 (12:59 pm)
GM does have a "fuel engineer" (or maybe many of them?). And I assume the other makes have similar positions, but it seems to me that the people cracking the crude have the most tribologists and petroleum and lubrication engineers and that the car companies should work with them. And probably they do.
Wikipedia says "Gas brands can participate and get Top Tier listing if they meet certain standards, which includes performance tests for intake valve and combustion chamber deposits, fuel injector fouling, and intake valve sticking. Additive manufacturers pay for the testing, which costs an estimated $25,000 to $30,000, while gasoline companies pay an annual fee based on the number of stations it operates to participate in the program."
Hm, additive manufactures pay for the testing - gee, and I bet they then try to sell detergent packs to the gas companies.
Rats, and I just resolved to try to be less cynical in the New Year too. Don't mind me, just go out and enjoy your Pilot.