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Re: [cjhepburn] by cjhepburn
Oct 21, 2008 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: cjhepburn (Oct 19, 2008 4:53 am)

My more aggressive driving MPG turned out to be 36. Same commute, 97% hwy 59 miles each way). Speeds 75-88 depending on what the traffic allowed, a couple of runs up to 98, and stomping on it out of entrance ramps (4 each way, hwy to hwy transitions). Still not bad.
For this next tank, I'm driving like a pussy, nice and slow entering highways and keeping the speed under 72, more like 65-70. If this doesn't hit 40MPG nothing will.
I wonder what the mileage would be if gas didn't have ethanol mixed in.
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Re: [cjhepburn] by ruking1
Oct 21, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: cjhepburn (Oct 21, 2008 5:22 pm)

Yes this is an interesting design anomoly. We have taken longer road trips San Jose, CA to Santa Barbara/Los Angeles and have gotten virtually the same mpg 38-42 mpg as a shorter distance commute (28 miles each way) 70-80 mph.
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1995 Honda Civic EX MPG by baccus49
Oct 24, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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My 1995 Honda Civic EX 1.6L DOHC VTEC Automatic is rated for 29 MPG combined on the old ratings and 26 MPG on the new 2008 ratings. I achieve a 33 MPG on a 90 day average. MPG is tracked on 4 different sites and I would consider myself a conservative hypermiler. Tire pressure is at max sidewell. I typically drive the speed limit which is 65 MPH or sometimes 55-60 depending on traffic. I've hit 40 MPG on 4 occasions and have had several tanks above 35. If you're not getting the MPG on the new 2008 ratings you're doing something wrong. Newer Civics than mine get better gas mileage so you should be beating my MPG. The older civics such as the Civic VX gets 40+ MPG.
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by kenlw
Oct 24, 2008 (5:10 pm)
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i believe the newer civic automatics have a torque converter lockup that eliminates TC slip at steady speeds. This will have a significant impact on highway mileage on an auto.
 
Then, if the gearing is actually taller (i think it is) than the manual, the auto's highway mileage could easily be better.
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Right in the middle by ruking1
Oct 25, 2008 (7:26 am)
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Commute mpg range has for the life of the car (74,000 miles) been between 38-42 mph. In the same commute and NOW with two people (instead of one) it has settled into 40 mpg. (middle of the range: 38,39,40 41,42.) Researching msg # 1416, current conditions put (1.24,+2.11)=3.35% folks reporting better mpg. I would swag the Civic is doing the job for which it was designed (and our intended use: plain jane commute) pretty well. While we drive (hopefully safely) for the conditions, we do no real fuel hypermileage techniques. (unless you can call poor rush hour traffic a hyper mileage situation)
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Re: [cjhepburn] by hammer00
Oct 26, 2008 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: cjhepburn (Oct 19, 2008 4:53 am)

Transmissions
5-Speed Manual Transmission Gear Ratios
 1st: 3.143
 2nd: 1.870
 3rd: 1.235
 4th: 0.949
 5th: 0.727
 Reverse: 3.308
 Final Drive: 4.290
 
Compact 5-Speed Automatic Transmission Gear Ratios
 1st: 2.666
 2nd: 1.534
 3rd: 1.022
 4th: 0.721
 5th: 0.525
 Reverse: 1.957
 Final Drive: 4.440
#1847 of 2058
Re: [hammer00] by ruking1
Oct 26, 2008 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: hammer00 (Oct 26, 2008 5:00 am)

The thing that really goes unsaid in this comparison is the greater parasitic drag using the automatic transmission. I would swag that not many folks put their Civics (auto vs manual) on dyno machines to really quantify the difference. While this may or may not be true for this particular model, on Corvette web sites, parasitic drag percentages are 11% manual/ 20% automatic or app 9% greater drag. (less mpg would be one result)
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Re: [ruking1] by ruking1
Oct 26, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Oct 26, 2008 6:38 am)

I should probably put in the most germane portion. The greater parasitic drag (11%-20%=)9% (aka auto vs manual) results in app 1-3 mpg differences.
 
The 6 speed manual Z06 which has 10% more aggressive gearing (than other 6 speed manual Corvettes) has been estimated and EPA rated)loses app 1-2 mpg.
 
(differences on stated gears are 1st gear 17.9% ,2nd gear 22% ,3 rd gear 21% ,4 th gear 32% ,5th gear 39%,
 
(over other Corvette manual transmission gearing, the stable variable being parasitic drag on 6 speed vs 6 speed is app the same)
 
So for example all my MPG results are with with a 4 speed auto. (5 speed manual was available) This 4 speed automatic has an interesting time deciding what gear it wants to upshift down shift to/ in. I had to overcome this situation by just letting it decide. If you press the accelerator to overcome it, you will lose 1-2 mpg , but I digress. So if you are all not totally glazed over by now:
 
"Transmission
5-Speed Manual Transmission Gear Ratios
 1st: 3.462
 2nd: 1.870
 3rd: 1.241
 4th: 0.970
 5th: 0.711
 Reverse: 3.231
 Final Drive: 4.111
 
4-Speed Automatic Transmission Gear Ratios
 1st: 2.722
 2nd: 1.516
 3rd: 0.975
 4th: 0.674
 Reverse: 1.955
 Final Drive: 4.067 "
  
 
One can do the math and see it takes almost MASSIVE gearing differences to over come the inherent GREATER parasitic drag of the automatic (not to mention the extra (5th) gear.
 
So while this may or may not matter, acceleration and so called performance might be way more sluggish with the automatic.
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Re: [cjhepburn] by cjhepburn
Oct 27, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: cjhepburn (Oct 21, 2008 5:22 pm)

I just finished my relaxed and more efficient driving style test. I drove 465.2 miles and filled with 11.589 Gallons for 40.142 MPG. Keep in mind that even Prius drivers were passing me. At the start of the tank I was driving 65-72 and toward the end of the tank I slowed to 63-68. I think it will do better after the first oil change.
#1850 of 2058
Re: [cjhepburn] by kipk
Oct 28, 2008 (3:18 am)
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Replying to: cjhepburn (Oct 27, 2008 4:32 am)

>"I just finished my relaxed and more efficient driving style test"
 
Good job !
 
That over 10% increase in mileage probably won't make a difference in whether or not you eat, but it can bring along a great sense of satisfaction. You also kicked the crap out of the EPA estimates as well as what the "Average" driver gets!
You are above and better than average.
 
Also contrary to belief of many people on these forums, you didn't get rear ended by a school bus.
 
Interesting to see folks speak of how they achieved really excellent mileage and many keep logs of every drop of gas and how it was used. I do that.
 
I don't recall anyone ever asking me, "How many cars did you pass last week" or "How may times did you red line the engine", or "How close can you tail gate", or "How do you stay alive driving the posted speed limits" ?
 
They do ask, what kind of mileage I get. I tell them the average mileage for local driving and the mileage for road trips. Not unusual to hear, "I don't believe that" or
"But I thought they got a lot less than that"!
 
Then it is time to show them the "Book" .
 
Kip

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