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Re: Buicks [meateater] by lilengineerboy
Jan 09, 2007 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: meateater (Jan 09, 2007 1:13 pm)

That's a lot of miles on an 06 car. Probably an abused rental.
 
There's no way thats a rental with 77k. Rental car companies dump their cars with less than 20k. They don't want to deal with an out of warranty car and they know the next buyer will want some warranty with their purchase.
That might have been a fleet car, but most likely, it was sold to some traveling salesman or something. The outside rep for Cannondale used to go through a VW every year driving to all the bike shops.
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Re: Buicks [lilengineerboy] by british_rover
Jan 09, 2007 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jan 09, 2007 2:14 pm)

He meant this car...
 
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=212411646
 
But that is not a rental either because it has too many miles as well.
 
I can't find my unlimited Carfax password right now but I am pretty sure it is not a rental.
 
And even if it is what is wrong with rentals? In my experience they get serviced better then private owner cars.
 
Also you need to see when it was sold to figure out how many miles are too many miles. That could have been sold mid 2005 as a 2006 MY car so it would really only have about 15,000 miles a year.
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Re: Used Buick: What's the Best Value? [zodiac2004] by cccompson
Jan 09, 2007 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: zodiac2004 (Jan 09, 2007 7:22 am)

Well, I've had both motors (in Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs). The SC seems to get slightly better mileage on the highway but requires premium fuel and the unit itself can fail with miles (figure $500 for a rebuilt unit if you can do the labor yourself). To me, it's a toss-up and I wouldn't accept (or reject) a particular car based on which motor it has.
 
HUD was, I belive, an option (maybe standard on the Ultra). I personally liked it on an SSEI Bonneville I once had. You can turn it off when desired. If it fails, there's no requirement that it be repaired.
 
Unless you want a floaty ride, find one with the Grand Touring suspension option. I believe they are identifiable by a plaque on the dash to the left of the steering wheel.
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Re: Which one? [alltogetherook] by dtownfb
Jan 10, 2007 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: alltogetherook (Jan 09, 2007 11:00 am)

if your daughter is over the height limit to qualify for a front facing car seat, please move her to one. While she may suffer a broken leg in a horrific accident, at least she will be able to see where you are driving and possibly talk to you. I have the best conversations with my kids pointing out different sites for them to see while we driving. Plus you can better watch her in the rear view mirror. And I guarantee she will enjoy riding in the car even more.
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Re: Which one? [dtownfb] by smittynyc
Jan 10, 2007 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 10, 2007 11:03 am)

Any seat that can be used rear-facing has limits on height as well as weight. If the poster's daughter is under the height and weight limits for her particular seat, and is comfortable riding rear-facing, there is absolutely no compelling reason to face her forward.
 
I kept our son rear-facing until he was 2.5. It didn't prevent us from having conversations (even now that he's front-facing, I'm looking at the road most of the time), nor did it prevent me from pointing out trains, spectacular Christmas lights, cows, trucks, or anything else interesting/out of the ordinary.
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Re: Which one? [smittynyc] by dtownfb
Jan 10, 2007 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: smittynyc (Jan 10, 2007 11:56 am)

His original post said she is VERY tall for her age (3). Stupid me assumed she met the height limit for a front facing car seat.
 
I'm sure your son was able to appreciate Dad pointing out a train (can't see where you are pointing). He was probably sitting there looking up at the ceiling trying to see the train. It probably took him to age 5 to realize a train is not a white puffy ball in the sky.
 
Seriously, either way the kids are safe and that is the important part. I know my kids appreciated being able to see where we were driving. Plus it was tons easier to load them into the car.
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Re: Which one? [dtownfb] by smittynyc
Jan 10, 2007 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 10, 2007 12:37 pm)

"Seriously, either way the kids are safe and that is the important part."
 
It is the most important part, and kids are certainly much safer in a front-facing seat than none at all.
 
However, kids are safest sitting rearward as opposed to not, assuming they are in a properly sized and secured seat. Look at how few toddlers/infants die in car crashes in Europe, where children sit rearward until 5 or 6.
 
Communicating with a rearward facing toddler really isn't that complicated -- "Wow, pretty waterfall on Daddy's side!", "Cool, check out that Excursion stretch limo on your left," etc.
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Backing up SmittyNYC by jrosales
Jan 10, 2007 (1:16 pm)
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I am a Child Passenger Safety Technician, and SmittyNYC is absolutely correct - children should remain rear-facing as long as the carseat they are sitting in will allow - most convertible seats rear-face now to 33-35 pounds. The AAP has been recommending this since i believe 2002. The old mantra of 1 year/20 pounds is NOT the current recommended best practice.
 
The differences are that a forward facing child, in a crash, will likely suffer neck/abdominal/chest injuries, same as an adult, as their bodies absorb the impact of a crash. Whereas with a rear-facing child, the CARSEAT absorbs the impact. We use a phrase, it is better to receive a broken leg in a crash sitting rear-facing, than a broken NECK in a crash sitting forward-facing.
 
If you would like to view crash test footage that shows a forward-facing child and a rear-facing child in the same test, please view the following link:
 
http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/stayrearfacing.aspx
 
Scroll to the bottom and you will see a link to the crash test footage.
 
Also, the most important thing is the safety of the child, not being able to show him/her objects you're passing. My child was rear-facing until 3 years old, and had no problems seeing anything, or communicating with us.
 
Please keep your children rear-facing until the child has surpassed the rear-facing weight limit of the seat.
 
Every "graduation" of seats is a DEMOTION in safety - ie - forward-facing is LESS safe than rear-facing, and being in a booster is LESS safe than being harnessed.
 
There are also new seats available that will keep your child harnessed forward-facing beyond the standard 40 pounds (if you have a 3-in-1 seat that says it is good to 80 pounds, that only means with the seatbelt! You have to take out the harness at 40 pounds and use it as a booster seat only!) These new seats are the Cosco Apex, Sunshine Kids Radian, and the Britax Regent, Marathon, Decathlon and Boulevard.
 
I posted this information for anyone who may be reading this thread, it is not intended for one person only.
 
Thank you for reading, and for keeping your kids safe.
 
Jodie
CPST and mom to 2 boys (and is looking for a new-to-us car to haul everyone around in!)
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Re: Backing up SmittyNYC [jrosales] by qbrozen
Jan 10, 2007 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: jrosales (Jan 10, 2007 1:16 pm)

hmmm... maybe we need a new dedicated thread for this.
 
anyway, i am wondering if what you are saying only applies to crashes involving the front of your car. I mean, if you get slammed in the rear, a rear-facing carseat isn't going to fare better, is it? Or how about side impact?
 
Our seat is, I believe, a 3 stage. I know it has 3 tilting positions and 3 harness positions. The first tilt is for rear facing only. I believe the directions read something like "keep child rear-facing until 1 year old, or 28 lbs (i'm not confident of that number, but its definitely higher than 20. could be 30), or until xx inches tall." So it gives 3 criteria. Our child hit the weight and height criteria before 1 year.
 
edit: ah, i just went and read that site. They are talking about frontal crashes. They do say that most accidents are frontal. oddly enough, out of 5 accidents I've had, 2 were side and 3 were rear. So my personal experience is different. I tend not to run into things.
 
they also comment about the height and weight of the child. They say 30 lbs, so I think that must be what my childseat instructions call for.
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Re: Which one? [dtownfb] by alltogetherook
Jan 10, 2007 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 10, 2007 11:03 am)

She is not over the height limit. When she reaches the Rear-facing weight limit on her carseat (33lbs) I will turn her around forward-facing.
We have no problem talking to each other.
 
I also think the focus is on frontal crashes since those are the most serious & most common. Rear end crashes usually aren't cause for as serious injuries, esp. spinal.
 
Sorry everybody-I didn't mean to start such a heated discussion.
 
I do need a "new" used minivan. Any suggestions for one in the $10-12,000 range?
 

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