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Re: Which one? [qbrozen] by lightwave25
Jan 04, 2007 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 04, 2007 1:42 pm)

What about one of these? SE-R
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Re: Which one? [lightwave25] by qbrozen
Jan 04, 2007 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: lightwave25 (Jan 04, 2007 1:45 pm)

hmmmm... maybe. too bad its not a specV.
 
you never did say how old your child is. Is he/she still in a rear-facing carseat? For how much longer?
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Re: Which one? [1racefan] by jlawrence01
Jan 04, 2007 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: 1racefan (Apr 28, 2006 11:09 am)

I run a fleet of about twenty vehicle tops. Once or twice every four years, I replace the vehicles. However, I do subscribe to the Black Book and have a LOT of contacts in the business.
 
As for the Caliber, I am trying hard to rent one. I am supposed to be in Detroit for the Auto Show and to tour the Chrysler facility in Auburn Hills. At this point, I have only seen a half dozen on the road and they look pretty impressive.
 
IMHO, Chrysler wins the style award PERIOD. They also build very comfortable cars - for all passengers. (And you can sense a "BUT" coming...) Nearly 75% of my drivers have chosen Chryslers as their fleet car and surprisingly, we have had few problems in the 50-70k miles we hold on to them.
 
However, until they prove to me that all the electronics won't go out around 70-80k miles, I will pass on them for my personal drive. (My brother has about 10 Chrysler 300s on his street and the joke is that at 70k, one power window in each seems to fail.) Also, I am somewhat suspicious of any model coming out of Belvidere, IL, where all the Neons USED to be built.
 
My crystal ball is on hiatus for 2007. The Caliber has NOT made the Black Book as of now. I know that Chrysler does not seem to be pushing them as hard to fleets as they are the other vehicles. That might be a function of waiting until they have filled the pipeline. When I was driving through Belvidere three weeks ago, there were thousands of them out there.
 
Those who are patient get the best deals (and a car with more of the initial "bugs" worked out).
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Re: Which one? [qbrozen] by lightwave25
Jan 04, 2007 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 04, 2007 1:49 pm)

My son is only 3 months old, but I think that he'll be riding in Mommy's Toyota most of the time. I don't like to drive big cars much, but I have enjoyed my Altima (which is big for me).
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Re: Which one? [lightwave25] by lilengineerboy
Jan 04, 2007 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: lightwave25 (Jan 04, 2007 2:09 pm)

If your Altima was a 4-cylinder, I believe its the same enigne as the SE-R you were looking at. If its only going to be an occasional baby car, that gives you some leeway.
The Protege is also a sedan, like the Mazda3 sedan and sport wagon thing.
I would say go drive a few of these and see if any strike your fancy.
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Re: Which one? [jlawrence01] by blckislandguy
Jan 04, 2007 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: jlawrence01 (Jan 04, 2007 1:51 pm)

I'm interested in your comment about electrical problems. Do you think though they area function of miles driven or simply happen randomly and accumulate. If you think that electrical problems are a function of mileage, then you have the difficult job of relating electrical malfunctions to a mechanical processes (miles driven). Or you think, as I suspect is the case, that electrical problems are not related to mileage driven but occur randomly but maybe in a pattern of some kind that can be graphed?
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Re: Which one? [blckislandguy] by jlawrence01
Jan 04, 2007 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 04, 2007 6:12 pm)

Interesting question. I don't know.
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Re: Which one? [blckislandguy] by tidester HOST
Jan 04, 2007 (11:42 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jan 04, 2007 6:12 pm)

... I suspect [it] is the case, that electrical problems are not related to mileage driven but occur randomly
 
Typically, component failures do occur at random times but are distributed. There is something called the "Mean Time Between Failures" (MTBF) which is a rough measure of when you can expect a component to fail. Because time correlates pretty well with distance driven, you will see a correlation between failure rates and distance driven as well.
 
"Distributed" means that a failure is unlikely to occur early in the lifecycle of a component but, given time, a component will almost certainly fail. In between, there is a period of maximum likelihood of failure and, yes, it can be graphed!
 
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Re: Which one? [lightwave25] by qbrozen
Jan 05, 2007 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: lightwave25 (Jan 04, 2007 2:09 pm)

Let me put it this way ... the Lincoln was a bit problematic because the headrest of my seat while driving was rubbing against the rear-facing carseat. I traded for the Accord to eliminate this (among many other reasons, of course).
 
Depending on your and/or your wife's sizes (i'm 6'5"), you may not be able to drive a compact with a rear-facing carseat at all. But, of course, also keep in mind that you've only got maybe 9 months before that seat turns around and changes everything.
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Re: Which one? [qbrozen] by smittynyc
Jan 05, 2007 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 05, 2007 6:31 am)

FWIW (and wildly off-topic), there is an emerging movement to keep kids rear-facing much, much longer than the current 1 yr/20 lb recommendation. The American Academy of Pediatrics now suggests keeping a kid rear-facing for as long as possible. In Europe, it's not uncommon for kids to ride backward until they're five or six, and studies show that they have far fewer child fatalities/severe injuries.
 
The reasoning for this is pretty simple -- the overwhelming majority of accidents are either frontal or side impact, and these tend to involve far greater forces than the less-frequent rear-end accidents. Front and side impacts put a ton of strain on the neck of a toddler. When riding backward, the head and neck are cushioned by the seat in such accidents.
 
Food for thought and something to consider when purchasing your vehicle. The kid may be facing rearward for much longer than a year.

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