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Poor Fuel Economy
by wisegirl
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Jun 27, 2008 (1:07 pm)
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I purchased a 2004 EXL in Feb/08 expecting it to get MUCH better fuel economy than our '03 Pilot EXL - but that has not been the case. In the winter (Ontario) my CRV was using nearly 17 litres/100km. Now in warm weather with no a/c running, I gave a test to both vehicles for a week driving to/from work which is about 8 minutes from home. Results? CRV used 12 litres/100km, Pilot used 13 litres/100 kms. Any thoughts? We've had it checked out and nothing is "wrong" - but according to Honda stat's - it is using way too much gas. Both vehicles are automatic and we bought the CRV to save money on gas by not driving the Pilot as much but at this rate, we should be both driving Pilots! Help??!!
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- #717 of 786
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Re: New 2008 CR-V 4WD EX MPG report [blueiedgod]
by harvey44
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Jun 29, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jan 15, 2008 12:20 pm)
Hey Blue I guess he took your advice and READ THE MANUAL.
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Re: Hard to believe [ecarfar]
by harvey44
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Jun 29, 2008 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: ecarfar (Apr 21, 2008 12:00 pm)
Currently, with inflexible US refineries - each barrel of crude produces a fixed ratio of diesel, gas and other by-products. I think it's 19 gallons of gasoline, 11 gallons of diesel, plus by products. But the demand for diesel is less elastic. Car drivers have some descretionary driving and can cut back. But in the US buses, and trucks are used more for work and are less flexible. Also emerging markets (China) have a huge percentage of new vehicles being sold are diesel. Without some change to the refining process the cost of diesel could rise faster than the cost of gasoline.
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Re: 14.5 mpg in SF [dpp8f]
by thegraduate
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Jul 16, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: dpp8f (Jun 02, 2008 3:16 pm)
I know it has been awhile since this post, but I'm going to reply anyway - the fact that you got EPA mileage on the highway tells me nothing is wrong with your commute. Your driving obviously includes a lot of detriments to your mileage, being ALL "city." People have different ideas of what "city" driving entails, and your city driving must include lots of traffic lights, idling, and stop and go. If you get EPA ratings on the highway, your city commute is just rough on mileage, and nothing is substantially wrong with your car.
I'd double check tire pressure, REGULARLY, as this can change a lot in a small amount of time.
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Re: Poor Fuel Economy [wisegirl]
by blueiedgod
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Jul 17, 2008 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: wisegirl (Jun 27, 2008 1:07 pm)
I purchased a 2004 EXL in Feb/08 expecting it to get MUCH better fuel economy than our '03 Pilot EXL - but that has not been the case. In the winter (Ontario) my CRV was using nearly 17 litres/100km. Now in warm weather with no a/c running, I gave a test to both vehicles for a week driving to/from work which is about 8 minutes from home. Results? CRV used 12 litres/100km, Pilot used 13 litres/100 kms. Any thoughts? We've had it checked out and nothing is "wrong" - but according to Honda stat's - it is using way too much gas. Both vehicles are automatic and we bought the CRV to save money on gas by not driving the Pilot as much but at this rate, we should be both driving Pilots! Help??!!
You have an 8 minute commute. It does not matter what you drive. You should have just kept the Pilot. Such short commute won't show difference in fuel economy.
Let me ask you this, if you have an 8 minute commute would other forms of transportation, or even a small car suffice?
I have a 4.5 mile ride to work, and even my bike, which normally gets 60 mpg is only getting 30. There is just not enough time and distance to fully warm up and get efficient.
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Re: Poor Fuel Economy [blueiedgod]
by wisegirl
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Jul 18, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jul 17, 2008 5:50 pm)
We actually didn't sell the 03 Pilot - that's my husbands vehicle. We have dogs and so each vehicle has dog cages in it. We need the Pilot for our road trips on holidays (Luggage etc) but thought the CRV would be great for around town and for me going home to work. But I have driven both the Pilot home to work for a week and my CRV on the same route, and the Pilot used only 1 litre of gas more than the CRV. I thought with the Pilot being a V6 and much larger, that it would have been worse on gas but seemingly, it is almost identical. The information on the fuel ratings website for all vehicles, shows that the CRV should get 4 litres better/100 km of driving than the Pilot - which is why we bought it - to use it more and the Pilot less. We love the Pilot and used to drive it all the time - thought the CRV would save us gas $$ but it hasn't. Big disappointment. As for the ride to and from work - there are other routes but all have the same stop/starts. And none of them are safe for riding a bike on. I would love to ride my bicycle but it just isn't safe and you get ticketed for riding on the sidewalk. We love our Pilot and if I knew that it would get the same gas mileage, we would have two of them!
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Re: Poor Fuel Economy [wisegirl]
by thegraduate
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Jul 18, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: wisegirl (Jul 18, 2008 5:14 am)
If your commute was 10 minutes longer I'd wager that your mileage difference would be more noticeable.
I used to get only 2 MPG better than our 3.5L 2000 Honda Odyssey... in my 4-cylinder Accord with only 130hp! The problem? I was commuting 2 total miles, with 9 stop signs in those 2 miles. I couldn't break 21 MPG.
Now that I commute 14 miles one-way, I average 27 MPG in that car. The Odyssey only did 22 MPG in that same commute.
The difference grew as the distance grew. I suspect it would for the CR-V as well, since it'd be warmed up and more effiecient.
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Re: Poor Fuel Economy [wisegirl]
by dromedarius
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Jul 18, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: wisegirl (Jul 18, 2008 5:14 am)
I'm w/blueiedgod, why a 2ND SUV for around town??? Do you take your dogs to work and the grocery store? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, as easy as it would be. And like the other posters have mentioned, it takes a couple miles just for the car to warm up. Our CR-V is actually our primary vehicle and we used to have a large dog we took on trips so that was our reason for an SUV. Our secondary car is a Ford Focus because since it is our secondary car we rarely have our whole family (me, my wife and our two sons in their car seats). I'd advise you to think about getting a small sedan as a secondary vehicle on your next vehicle purchase unless you absolutely HAVE to have your dogs at all times.
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Re: Poor Fuel Economy [wisegirl]
by kipk
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Jul 19, 2008 (3:38 am)
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Replying to: wisegirl (Jul 18, 2008 5:14 am)
We bought our Pilot new in 03. Needed something for the dogs and light duty occational towing. My wife had a Maxima at the time, which she truly loved, but it simply didn't work for her "Addiction" to yard sales and flea markets. So we got her an 03 CR-V. She drives the CR-V 12 miles to work one way. I drive the Pilot 6. She averages about 22 mpg and I average about 18. I truly expect that if we commuted the same distance, the MPG would be even closer. On the road, with me driving, the CR-V gets 29-30 and the Pilot gets 25-27 at 60-65 mph.
Of course on the up side, the CR-V cost $10K less and it has a slightly higher % of resale value. And to me, the CR-V is more "Fun" in local driving and scooting around. But the Pilot is more comfortable on the road.
I agree with dromedarius . A small sedan or hatch back would better fill the need for an economical commuter. The Honda Fit will likely be our next purchase for local driving. Wife will use that, and I will use the CR-V. Keep the Pilot for road trips. Honestly it will not save us a penny, by the time the purchase price, insurance and such are considered. But it is a good "Excuse" to buy a new car.
And the way things are going, there may be some gas rationing in the future.
Back in the 70 when there were long lines at gas stations, I was driving a Dodge Colt, that got 40+ on the road. I kept 1-2 full gas cans at the house and 1-2 empty gas cans in the back of the car. When I saw a station with no lines I topped off the tank and filled the cans. Never had to wait in lines.
Friends with gas hogs were suffering.
Kip
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