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Nissan Murano, Toyota Highlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Volkswagen Touareg, SUV
#76 of 800 Picked up my Tribeca on Saturday
May 31, 2005 (4:42 pm)
Never owned a Subaru.
Two Mazda RX-7s(83 & 88), Corolla, Toyota 4x4, Civic and Tribute.
I Picked up my Tribeca on Saturday. Been happy all weekend.
We actually were planning on moving from the low end small SUV (our second car, which we still have, is the 2003 Mazda Tribute) to the family Minivan. We had settled on either the Honda Odessy or the Toyota Sienna. Then I saw add for the Nissan Pathfinder that had an optional third row of seating. Googled "third row 7 passenger" and discovered the B9 Tribeca. I am still amazed at how little publicity there is on this. Found it by accident. The salesman at the dealership said we shouldn't plan to see ads out 'till mid to late June. Anyhow, started looking at all the SUVs that would save us from minivan hell and the Tribeca was the best fit. Murano only has five seats. We have two kids with accompanying car seats. That would limit us to one very skinny friend. With grandparents and friends visiting, we needed more seating. That knocked out the Nissan Murano. Highlander, MDX, Pathfinder and Pilot seemed to large and "Truck-like" for me. Plus, Honda needs a lot of help on it's interior. We test drove the CRV and the Pilot and I knew just getting in that we weren't interested. Once we started looking at the Tribeca standard features compared to similar vehicles (including Cayene and X5) and the performance was on par, it was and easy choice. Not to mention Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Land Rover, and Acura are a lot more expensive. Friends of ours with the OB convinced us of the merits of Subaru's boxer engine. The test drive sealed the deal. We got the base model (no leather, no NAV, no DVD), but it has everything we need. The material for the non-leather seats is actually better than I had hoped (we had only test driven the tricked out model). The six/nine CD changer is NOT standard. Watch for that. Found out when I tried to load the second CD into the stereo on the way home. Drives like a sportscar. Don't feel like you're in a truck. We are very happy campers. Cross your fingers it lasts.
#77 of 800 Tribeca Experience
May 31, 2005 (5:18 pm)
I knew you'd like that Krisshna. I got a nice chuckle out of it, too.
Congrats to both of you new owners!
SoA hosted us for the "Tribeca Experience" today and we got to drive them on the road for a good while (90 minutes, though we alternated drivers). We also got to test them in a parking lot against competitors.
First course I took was Tribeca vs. Murano in a moose avoidance style test. Hard left, then hard right at 25mph. I went in the Tribeca first and it was uneventful. Then the Murano, and boy, I hardly made it, with lots of tire squeel and much more body roll. I was surprised, I really thought the Murano would be sportier. Maybe they leave that up to the FX.
One of the drivers actually got the Murano up on 3 wheels, though they might have been going faster.
Next we tested the Tribeca against the Pilot in a ride control test, basically driving over sand bags on alternate sides. The NVH of the bump itself was similar, but the Pilot rebounded more, like there was an echo after you hit the bump.
Finally I drove the XC90 and Tribeca around a slow speed slalom, and this was a massacre. The Tribeca drove around nicely while the Volvo struggled, it was like wrestling an reluctant Elephant.
Subaru did a great job tuning the Tribeca, I was really impressed. Do not cancel your orders!
May 31, 2005 (9:43 pm)
I'd take a pound of salt with anything Warren Brown writes. His reviews have been chock full of factual errors for years under his ornate wordsmithing. Back half a decade ago, he was officiously advising BMW to ditch 323i in favor of starting the line-up with 328 because 323 interior was not up to luxury standards, all along without realizing that he was comparing a last-model year E36 323 coupe to a first-year E46 328 sedan; hence the difference was E46 vs. E36, the engine size had absolutely nothing to do with it; in fact, E46 323 sedan with the improved interior and E36 328 coupe with the old sub-par interior were offered in that very same model year.
Now in this article, he claims Forrester to be the first cute-ute, never mind RAV4 and CR-V came before it. Nor did he even realize apparently that Outback started as a body style variant of Legacy in 1995 model year, two full years before Forrester. So it was patentedly wrong for him to even suggested that Outback was a product developed after Subaru saw the success of Forrester. The rest of his article does not offer much substance, hence hard to prove wrong (or right, for that matter).
Sometimes I wonder if Mr. Brown even knows anything about cars, beyond the marketing brochures and his own metaphysics.
#79 of 800 Subaru website comparison page
Jun 01, 2005 (9:03 am)
Just did a comparison btwn a B9 and Murano on Subaru's comparison page. Owning a Murano myself, I think that would be the closest comparison to the B9. Dimensions and features are very similar with the B9 superior in ground clearance, turning circle, cargo capacity, 7 passenger seating, a little more HP.
And the Murano advantages are CVT, Xenon, memory seats/mirrors, lower weight, larger gas tank, power adjustable pedals, more low end torque, higher tow rating (B9 only 2000??).
Since I have yet to drive the B9, I can't comment on it. I would say I am intrigued by the B9 and would look forward to some auto mag comparisons So far been very pleased with my Murano....
I think Subaru B9 and the upcoming Mazda CX-7 got their styling cues from the Murano - put them together, they have the same form. This must be the trend for the "crossover" segment.
#80 of 800 Re: Subaru website comparison page [tigger5753]
Jun 01, 2005 (9:41 am)
The B9 towing capacity is 3500 lbs with the factory tow package, which includes a transmission cooler, harness and ball mount.
Towing anything above 2000 lbs at any significant distance with out a Tranny cooler on a vehicle like a Murano or B9 probably is not a good thing to do.
#81 of 800 Re: Subaru website comparison page [tigger5753]
Jun 01, 2005 (1:56 pm)
I agree one big advantage Murano has over B9 is the availability of a few "premium" features not (yet) available on the B9. What year is your Murano? I understand there were some quality and reliability issues in the first couple of years. I hope those have been "debugged" by now. How is yours holding up? Any concern with reliability of the CVT?
#82 of 800 Re: Subaru website comparison page [bodble2]
Jun 01, 2005 (5:32 pm)
I have an '04 SL AWD. The '03 had alternator failure issues and a weak low speed steering issue. These were resolved in '05 models, which is why Consumer Reports rated the Murano "Best Pick".
I have not had any issues at all (knock on wood). Excellent ride (I drove an RX330 recently and I think the ride is the same), and the CVT is so smooth. Sometimes, I can't even hear it going, and I look down and I'm already at 90! On a Murano message board, there has been a few complaints of failed transmissions, but like any vehicle, I guess you get bad ones.
Overall I am very impressed as the Murano was also my first japanese vehicle. The only real annoyance I have is that the front wiper blade design is the worst I've ever seen. When at rest, they sit below the hood line, so you can't pull them up far enough to clear ice or remove snow. And this winter in Boston was horrible. I love the idea of B9's wiper defroster/de-icer. I've long complained why didn't any manufacture make that STANDARD!??!?!
#83 of 800 Re: Subaru website comparison page [tigger5753]
Jun 01, 2005 (6:46 pm)
OMG that grill is ugly.
Let Subaru work out the first year glitches. Next year, Saab releases the 9-6, a crossover based on the B9 platform. Safe to say it'll be 2% more expensive . . . 200% more attractive, inside and out.
Jun 01, 2005 (11:37 pm)
Yes, I imagine the grill design will be a source of controversy and debate for many moons. Subaru apparently was trying to emulate an airplane fuselage and wings. My initial impression, however, is that of the snout of a boar!
Jun 02, 2005 (7:40 am)
2000 lbs towing standard, but 3500 with the towing kit (oil cooler basically).
9-6 is an unknown at this point. GM wants to fit a diesel in their Saab crossover, so they might use the Equinox' platform instead.
Tribeca has a similar D-pillar to the Murano, the but Murano is more rounded off at the sides and edges, up close they look a bit different.
Personally I think Subaru took a Porsche Cayenne shape, added Murano D-pillars, and an upside down Alfa Romeo grille.
I also see resemblance to the Maserati Kubang SUV concept, if you recall that wild one.