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Ethanol effect? by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 19, 2008 (6:02 pm)
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Any of you Prius owners seeing a mileage hit due to ethanol-blended fuels?
 
A lot of folks in the The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol discussion are reporting 7-10% mileage reductions vs regular gas. I assume this would also affect hybrids but might tend to be a bit muted because of the hybrid system.
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Re: Ethanol effect? [pf_flyer] by prius2007
Nov 19, 2008 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 19, 2008 6:02 pm)

Yes this has been discussed extensivelly over on priuschat. A lot of people complain about the hit with ethanol, although personally I'm not sure how you can seperate the impact of E10 and the impact of colder temps unless you're able to compare E10 vs no E10 during cold temps.
 
My data clearly shows a decline in MPG during winter. How much of it is due to E10 vs the cold I don't know.
Spring Summer Fall Winter
2007 50.4 59 57.5 55.3
2008 62.4 64.5 63.1
change 23.8% 9.3% 9.7%
 
Gabe
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Re: Ethanol effect? [prius2007] by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 19, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: prius2007 (Nov 19, 2008 6:13 pm)

Winter is definitely a factor as well, but my ethanol hits came during the summer and were clear and consistent.
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Re: Ethanol effect? [pf_flyer] by prius2007
Nov 19, 2008 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 19, 2008 6:17 pm)

The "experts" say it has less energy. In some regions you can go to different gas stations with ethanol or no Ethanol so people have reported lower MPG with Ethanol.
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Re: Ethanol effect? [pf_flyer] by cdhc
Nov 19, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 19, 2008 6:02 pm)

I had tried Ethanol in my Chevy prior to getting the Prius as it was a flex-fuel model. I can tell you that, at least at the time, Ethanol was 11% cheaper to buy, but I got 20% worse gas mileage. I haven't read anything about the Prius being able to run on Ethanol, but since it has a gas engine, and with my prior experience with Ethanol, I would be 100% certain that the mileage would suffer. What I would like to ask other people is, Does anyone have experience running premium in the Prius, and has that affected your mileage????
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Re: Ethanol effect? [prius2007] by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 20, 2008 (4:22 am)
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Replying to: prius2007 (Nov 19, 2008 6:24 pm)

No need for experts, it's just a scientific fact that ethanol is not as "energy dense" as gasoline.
 
Just spoke with a friend who owns a pair of Prius and although he's not a fanatical mileage tracker like I am, he's saying that he's seeing at least a 5% drop off since ethanol crept into our area of the state.
 
He's not happy about that either.
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Lost MPG by oldcoach
Nov 20, 2008 (10:35 am)
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I have a 08 prius and was getting 48.6 MPG now that it has gotten cold the MPG has drpopped to 42. I drive about 8 miles to work each day. The tem is in low 30's and high 20's. Is this common.
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Re: Lost MPG [oldcoach] by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 20, 2008 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: oldcoach (Nov 20, 2008 10:35 am)

Yep, a mileage dropoff as we move into colder weather is to be expected as we start using the "winter gas" formulation
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Re: Ethanol effect? [pf_flyer] by kdhspyder
Nov 21, 2008 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 19, 2008 6:02 pm)

I buy both. In NC it's primarily 'pure' gas while in VA it's E10. The difference as far as I can estimate is that the E10 gives about 5% less fuel economy..... but it costs about 5% less. So for me it's a wash.
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Re: Lost MPG [oldcoach] by kdhspyder
Nov 21, 2008 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: oldcoach (Nov 20, 2008 10:35 am)

It's perfectly normal in winter time for all vehicles to lose a significant amount of fuel economy. It's just more noticeable in the Prius and other hybrids because the fair weather numbers are so high relatively. Lose 10% in winter with a 19 mpg SUV and it's barely noticable. Lose 10% in winter in a 50 mpg Prius and it's immediately noticable. In addition the MFD reports the bad news right away in plain view.
 
Here is a post I made here 2 yrs ago on the Camry Hybrid forum. It applies to the Prius obviously but it also applies to all vehicles equally...
 
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Now that winter is fully here you might want to take into consideration some of the following factors which can often be outside your control entirely. These generally act to decrease your fuel economy. But, hey, it's the same for every vehicle on the road as well. For some it's even worse.
  
Factors affecting your FE ( and everyone else's also, btw ) in decending order of importance...
1) Towing anything is a huge penalty possibly as much as a 50% reduction in FE
2) Lots of weight in the vehicle, passengers cargo etc. ( EPA tests are done empty ) deduct up to 20% from your 'Norm'
3) Short trips under 10 min - deduct 20% from your 'Norm'
4) Snow, Rain, sleet - deduct 15%
5) Strong head wind - deduct 10%
6) Cold weather - deduct 5 - 10%
7) High speed driving 0ver 70 mph - deduct 5 - 10%
8) Many starts from a dead stop ( going from stop sign to stop sign to stop sign ) - deduct 5 - 10%
9) Terrain - fortunately 'what goes up..' usually this balances out on a RT
10) Winter fuel - deduct 2 - 5%
11) Low tire pressure - ? How low
  
Now these are cumulative, so short trips with a lot of stops ( -20% ) in winter ( -7% ) on slick pavement ( -15% ) can result in as much as a 40 - 50% loss from your personal 'Norm'. The bright side of this is that your 'Norm' is higher than most others at 39 mpg ( 48 mpg Prius ). If your Norm was only 26 mpg for example you might expect to get 13-15 mpg.

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