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Replying to: jana6 (Oct 30, 2008 4:41 pm) |
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Replying to: cdhc (Oct 31, 2008 6:56 pm)
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Replying to: cdhc (Oct 31, 2008 6:56 pm) Your advice is good in fact I do the same, but if you listen to the experts / people with more experience with the Prius they will tell you this: There is an energy conversion loss (gas to electric or electric to kinetic). Guess well all the stored battery energy comes from - yes your gas engine. Initially it had to come from the battery and any replenisment has to come from the battery. They recommend to stay off the battery and that a no arrows glide is better than running off the battery. Like you, I also coast (blue arrows only going to the battery) when approaching a red light / stop sign. I've been doing more gliding (no arrows) as a result whenver possible, but since I don't want to hold up traffic I do also run on the battery often. Good luck sounds like you're doing well  Gabe
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Replying to: jana6 (Oct 31, 2008 7:08 pm) You hit the nail right on the head - the claim is that there is no friction when gliding. BTW the Prius MFD is great in showing instant MPG but it only goes to 99.9. I recently bought a Scangauge which goes up to 9999 MPG and even better if you switch it to L/100KM a zero reading means there is not even a trickle of gas is being used when gliding. Best of luck , sounds like you got the bulk of the concept and you can put it into practice, Gabe |
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Replying to: prius2007 (Oct 31, 2008 5:32 am) You obviously got the secret Super Ultra Efficiency option package that very few knew about and which allows you to be in the upper 1% of all Prius owners. I didn't know the code for that option or I would have chosen it also. For the rest of us plebians we have to make do with just good normal results. Nice hand, sir. |
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Replying to: jana6 (Oct 31, 2008 7:08 pm) When you are driving, and you take your foot off the accelerator (coasting), the car then uses the momentum of the wheels to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. This method of charging is much more efficient than regen braking since there will not be as much energy lost due to heat being generated. Its true that gliding can help you go a little further than coasting, but gliding does nothing at all to charge the battery. What may be perceived as friction while coasting is actually the electric motor being back-driven. And yes, with any rotating part, there is friction. That's just something that cannot be avoided. You even have friction in the wheel bearings while simply gliding. I don't know. There's people that get better gas mileage than me, but I'm happy with my average of 57.5.
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Replying to: prius2007 (Nov 01, 2008 1:49 am) When you are driving, and you take your foot off the accelerator (coasting), the car then uses the momentum of the wheels to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. This method of charging is much more efficient than regen braking since there will not be as much energy lost due to heat being generated. Its true that gliding can help you go a little further than coasting, but gliding does nothing at all to charge the battery. What may be perceived as friction while coasting is actually the electric motor being back-driven. And yes, with any rotating part, there is friction. That's just something that cannot be avoided. You even have friction in the wheel bearings while simply gliding. I don't know. There's people that get better gas mileage than me, but I'm happy with my average of 57.5. |
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Replying to: cdhc (Nov 01, 2008 7:30 am) |
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Replying to: prius2007 (Nov 01, 2008 1:53 am) The Scangauge sounds interesting. Where would one get it, is it hard to install, and where does the unit sit int he car? Thanks for all your help and advice. I loved my Prius even with the lower mpg than I was expecting but now I love it even more knowing the reasons why I'm not getting that mpg. I'm working more on all the suggestions and this tank is showing 50 mpg. That makes me very happy. Thanks again, Jana |
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Replying to: jana6 (Nov 01, 2008 5:48 pm) I was just reading this tread over on PriusChat on SGII: link title you can also use their search function. Also on www.cleanmpg.com you'll find lots of good info on the subject. Both sites at times have a group buy or discounted price on the SGII and advertise it on the site or look in the PriusChat shop. I think the price is already discounted. The manufacturer's website is: link title One reason I got it is to monitor my water temp to feel safer when using grill block. You can also get segment MPG numbers. BTW congrats on your great MPG (WOW you got to 50) with your short trips and all. You're another proof that if people are interested it is possible despite of all the nay sayers. I'm going to read some of your prior posts to get more details of your driving profile and if possible offer you some additional tips. You got some good ones already from cdhc he knows what he is talking about Best of luck, Gabe
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