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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 17, 2008 6:46 pm) There are very real reasons why the Prius sells in the numbers it does well into it's 5th year. Others like me just will not consider any vehicle as basic as a Corolla or Yaris or Fit. When I was looking back in 2005 all the vehicles of that size were immediately eliminated as being too basic and too small. Your neighbor needs to find a good message board on the Prius and the HSD system in order to ask some questions. The battery always 'drains' overnight. It recharges immediately within 15 min of startup in the AM. This is normal in all weather. It has nothing to do with the outside temperature. The HSD system is designed to go to rest at about 35-40% of SOC at the min ( about 3 red bars ) then to charge up to about 90% of SOC ( 8 green bars ). It just cycles back and forth in this range. The only time it's ever a concern is when the vehicle sits for a month or more. At that point the 12v accessory battery may run down due to the SKS sensors but this is little or no effect on the traction battery.
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You state... Sorry there is no way that a Honda Fit is equivalent to a Prius in ride, room, comfort or amenities. The Fit is below the Corolla and Civic. It's more similar to a Yaris or Scion. Yes it is far lower in price and size and amenities but that's why the price is so much lower. While I somewhat agree with your statement, and the Yaris comparison is fair, it's not as different as you have it sound. I have a 2008 Prius, a few months old at this time.. love it - as most Prius owners do. After research, just bought my son a FIT.. it's a great little car, just like the Prius. Yep, there are some differences - perhaps the FIT has more room inside - at 20.9 cubic feet (if I recall correctly) - sure the Prius gets better mileage, but there is room in this world for both cars. The FIT was $17.7K out the door, the Prius was $27.6 (Package 5)... so for the $10K difference, the FIT is a great car. Seats are good (front) - it's roomy inside, the back seats fold up or down, nice design, and Honda is no 'run of the mill' car - it's proven reliable, just like the Prius. sc
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Replying to: scottc3 (Mar 18, 2008 7:58 am) As I mentioned in the prior post when looking to replace my Camry back in 2005 I immediately eliminated all cars Corolla/Civic-sized and smaller. The new larger Corolla/Civic are just at the lower margin for my taste. But that's just a personal preference. However Toyota seems to have tapped into this vein of buyers looking for ultra-efficiency but not willing to settle for 'econo-box'. Besides there's no way to fit a 43" flat screen TV, golf clubs, briefcase, two pizzas and two occupants in any Corolla or Civic or Mazda3 or Yaris....only the Matrix and the other 5 door hatches can do this. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 18, 2008 5:48 am) Don't get me wrong, I like the Prius and might be buying one soon. But my Civic Si is far more comfortable than the Prius will ever be and the price on my Civic is less than a Pkg 2 Prius! If fuel economy is an issue then the Fit compares well as it's very good on fuel, but down a bit on power and i have driven a 1.3L Jazz/Fit for 2 weeks and a few 1.5L Fits as well both auto and stick. The Prius is a low budget car with high tech gadgets. Comfort wise it isn't up to the level of say an accord or a Camry even tho the cost is roughly the same. So again there is no excuse for uncomfortable and non adjustable seats in a $22K+ car. not when many cheaper cars have those same and relatively inexpensive features. Your neighbor needs to find a good message board on the Prius and the HSD system in order to ask some questions. The battery always 'drains' overnight. It recharges immediately within 15 min of startup in the AM. Well he doesn't like it and not everyone is into using the Internet for their problem solving. He's unhappy it discharges overnight and feels it shouldn't do that. The dealer says it's normal but most people don't trust the dealers about anything regarding service problems any more. If you doubt me I can post a lot of forums just from here in other groups about lots of owners not trusting the dealerships.
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 18, 2008 8:52 am) Again personal preferences but I drove 4 Camry's, among others, from 1989 to 2005. The unadjustable seat in the Prius ... for me ... fits much much more comfortable than any of the prior Camry's which were too soft generally. In addition it's much quicker than my 89, and only a little less quick than my 93, 97 and 2000 models. It has far more features and more room than any of those prior vehicles. Then there's the fuel economy. OTOH it is in no way as comfortable as our Highlander or my wife's Solara V6. But those are another $6000+ more expensive.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 18, 2008 9:48 am) many dealers lie like rugs, want examples? I will post a whole bunch if the moderator gives me permission. Toyota itself has had all sorts of problems they would prefer to ignore as well as many other brands. This has nothing to do with the fact that I worked at a dealership many years ago and am fully aware of what really goes on in the service and parts dept. I do agree with you about the seats in the camry however my wife can't drive the prius as she is short and no height adjustment is a killer. My back is in rough shape and needs supportive seats for long trips. The Prius comment was made to a specific question and that is how I answered it and stand by what I said. The Prius if it's just mileage you are after can easily be beaten by a Fit considering the price differential. Someone else just posted that as well. If you want a luxury car the Prius is out anyway. It's an econogadget car and gets great fuel economy. But it costs a lot more than many other cars that have similar or better features and those cars get very good fuel economy as well and the difference when computed out is trivial.
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 18, 2008 10:02 am) 
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 19, 2008 7:48 pm)
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Replying to: carbot (Mar 19, 2008 8:05 pm) It's almost impossible to find a traded in Prius. People do love them. We've had less then 10 in 6 years. For curiousity sake I recently did a 'what if' appraisal on a 4 y.o. Prius with no Navi and no leather but with 190000 miles on it based on recent auction values. Then I compared it to a similar vehicle a 4 y.o. Matrix XR with 190K on it. Ready / / / / / Prius $7000 ????????? HUH Matrix $4000 Essentially the 'hybrid premium' is almost fully intact from the time it was originally purchased. Most of this I presume is due to the relative scarcity of Prius' for resale. It's also the best fitting auto I've ever had.
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 19, 2008 7:48 pm) No doubt that there are many factors when buying a car and the Prius is a good alternative and it certainly is a quality car. But the specific question was relating to fuel economy primarily. So the answer remains the same. A Fit which is also a quality car for the price differential makes more pure economic sense if that is your primary concern. There are many other factors but gas has to go up pretty high to balance out a Corolla or a Fit versus a Prius as the price difference is huge. But if you compared a $22K car like my Civic Si to a $23K Prius well of course the difference is huge but the gap narrows quite a lot when it's a cheap car ($15-16K )that gets 37mpg versus a $23k car that gets 48 city/ 45 highway. Fuel economy was the only issue for me before I switched jobs since I drove so much. The Prius would have been a marvel except I had to often drive in bad weather so AWD was a must. |
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