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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
Feb 21, 2008 (9:54 pm)
I am on the road most of the time for business and I am considering a 2008 Toyota Pruis. Often my car becomes my office for up to a few hours a day. The engine must run to keep the car cool or warm, depending on the outdoor weather of the region I am in.
My Accord burns about 4/10 of a gallon per hour. I would assume that the prius would burn far less since it would stop the engine periodically. Does anyone have any data on the idle fuel economy of the prius with the heater on on a cold day and/or with the air conditioning running on a hot day?
#506 of 998 computed MPG vs actual
Feb 22, 2008 (6:19 pm)
I have a new Prius, 3 weeks old. last fill up had 1644 miles on it.
Is the on board computer at fault?
First fill up was by the dealer, don't know how 'full' it was. My first to fill up was at 530 miles. I know it was full (up to visual on inside ring). MPG on computer was 49.5mpg.
Next fill up was at 926 miles, took 9.3 gals to fill to ring, comp had 46.6 mpg, calculate to 42.6 mpg.
Next fill up at 1327 miles, took 10.0 gals to fill to ring, computer had 45.3 mpg, calculate to 40.1 mpg.
Last fill up at 1644 miles, took 7.6 gals to fill to the ring, comp had 49.4, calculates out to 41.7 mpg.
Is the 'on board' computer normally this far off?
Darned near 10 % average?
Doesn't give me much in the way of confidence in the on board computer.
I've read about the 'bladder' tank, but this much difference? I've had aircraft with bladder tanks and nothing like this.
#507 of 998 Upgrade to get 90MPG from Dealership?
Mar 04, 2008 (7:44 am)
I heard that there are upgrades available to the Prius from the manufacturer to boost the fuel economy. Now the numbers thrown around were up to 90MPG but that cant be right. Is there such a thing?
#508 of 998 Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips
Mar 05, 2008 (12:54 pm)
Great forum, so helpful
On verge of buying a new car, but am troubled by the 20% hit on mpg on short trips in the Prius which is on my short list. As most of my driving comprises trips under 10 miles and I live in a cold climate, would I do better in a Focus (assuming mpg is only factor considered) ? Would I expect the Focus would pay less of a penalty in mpg, driving cold? This morning (temp 45) I test drove a Focus and got 35mpg on cold start over a 15 mile trip (Great grandmother driving style - airfoot).
Thanks for any help,
#509 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [carlt1]
Mar 05, 2008 (1:37 pm)
Great forum, so helpful
On verge of buying a new car, but am troubled by the 20% hit on mpg on short trips in the Prius which is on my short list. As most of my driving comprises trips under 10 miles and I live in a cold climate, would I do better in a Focus
No car does all that well in the cold with winter fuel and even worse on short trips. Your best bet is to drive right away and not warm the car up in the driveway. I fire up my Civic and I'm out the garage door in 20 seconds!
It takes longer if where I am parked i have clear the windows of snow and ice.
Ask yourself how much for the Prius versus the Ford or even a Honda fit or that sort of economical car $22-23K versus $15K That buys a lot of fuel.
Also the battery in the prius doesn't like the cold weather. In fact no battery does that why so many cars need jump starts in the winter.
There were several reasons I didn't buy a Prius, but I like the concept however I live in a hilly area and once the Prius traction control kicks in you aren't going anywhere in the snow.
If you have no snow you will be ok, but mileage always suffers in the winter in the cold States.
#510 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [tiff_c]
Mar 06, 2008 (6:39 am)
Lets not forget "other" facters while comparing any cars w/ the Prius. Resale is darn good w/ a Prius. Quality & Durability of a Prius is one of the best ( I can attest to that w/ 74K on an '04). I saw where roadability in snow was questioned...I live in N.W. Indiana with massive snows this yr. and simply put...NO PROBLEMS. Around Town driving I average 44-45 mpgs during winters and 48-51 in summers. One last note.....Take a test drive and check out the roominess and fit & finish of the Prius...You won't be dissappointed and I love the hatchback for obvious reasons.
#511 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [railroadjames]
Mar 06, 2008 (6:48 am)
Lets not forget "other" factors while comparing any cars w/ the Prius. Resale is darn good w/ a Prius. Quality & Durability of a Prius is one of the best ( I can attest to that w/ 74K on an '04). I saw where roadability in snow was questioned...
Well maybe on plowed roads in the city it's ok but on the roads up in my area even my Civic had to have the traction control off to make it up the hills here.
No question resale is very high but as far as real snow on real hills and back roads which are plowed poorly. Even with snow tires it's bad here, so it depends where you live. I use Nokian tires, snowflake rated, and that is bare minimum. We have a lot of accidents around here from snow and ice. This morning there was a pickup truck stuffed way up and onto a 6 foot snowbank, not just the front end but the entire truck!
In the city the Prius works well but on these roads it's inability to shut OFF the traction control makes it a poor choice for my area. The rest of the city is fairly flat and lots of Prius's on the road. But in the boonies, it won't make it up the hills, and that only because you need to shut the traction control off.
That's why this is Subaru country. AWD's are a must in the winter and yet I bought a civic.
#512 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [tiff_c]
Mar 06, 2008 (9:28 am)
"There were several reasons I didn't buy a Prius, but I like the concept however I live in a hilly area and once the Prius traction control kicks in you aren't going anywhere in the snow."
That error was fixed in the 2007 Prius.
#513 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [stevedebi]
Mar 06, 2008 (6:55 pm)
That error was fixed in the 2007 Prius.
Well the one I test drove couldn't make it to my house and the dealer really didn't want me driving in a snow storm. It was unplowed so with the traction control on it just couldn't make it up the hill. Thankfully we were able to turn around and get back.
Maybe full blown snow tires would have helped.
#514 of 998 Re: Prius vs Focus mpg : short trips [stevedebi]
Mar 07, 2008 (4:41 pm)
What "error" was fixed? I live in the Black Hills and the Prius owners I've talked to haven't had any issues with winter driving--even with the stock tires.