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Suzuki Grand Vitara, SUV
#719 of 1050 Re: No GV Diesels in OZ [norwoodsmn]
Sep 10, 2006 (7:07 am)
Wow, you have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much to type but i actually read it all because it is all so interesting and true....
Anyways, yes hondas 07 CR-V is a 4cyl but i makes 166 horses! The v6 grand vitara makes 185 horses and thats not much better. I'm not saying it needs the Rav-4's v6 -though that will be sweet- to compete. Gm has a problem matching the engine to the transmission. The 05 GTO had a great engine and a crappy 4speed auto, the same with the 06 impala ss! Also the equinox has a big 3.4l v6 that only makes 185 horses also. THATS NOT COOL GM!!
Since suzuki may team with nissan, i really expect for nissan to make the verona an altima twin and for nissan to get a grand vitara twin. Nissan knows how to make an engine so I honestly believe that the 2.5 they have will be almost as good as the one in the GV now but with much better MPG. Nissan also has the 3.5 which will blow the pants off the CR-V and the current 2.7l and will keep the grand vitara with the RAV-4 if not leaving it with respect to the weight ratio! Nissan has fabulous transmissions also!
The grand vitara diesel may be here in 2008 since we now have ULSD and the emissions test will be somewhat easier. The diesel should have less hp but almost twice the torque. Diesels are growing in the US because now vw is bring the v10 diesel in the touareg back! The 1.9 that was in the jetta did stop but thats only because vw is finishing up its 2.0l and 2.4l diesel. Don't forget mercedes offering bluetec diesel in the ML, GL, R, and E class models. Edmunds has a test on the GL diesel. Bmw is bring the 330d and honda is re-working the diesel engine so it can sell in usa In the accord (tsx), civic (csx), element, and CR-v. They making a bigger one to put in the MDX, pilot, odyssey, rl, and tl.
Honda borrowed Isuzus diesels and perfected it and now makes one of the best diesel engines in the world. Suzuki and honda will work great as would suzuki and nissan. GM is only hurting suzuki and they know it. I hope gm doesn't do suzuki like they did isuzu...
Love it or hate it Suzuki almost went bankrupt making the grand vitara but it paid off. Suzuki should have made the rear door open the other way or even a liftgate. Better yet, I'm still mad thet the tailgate glass doesn't open... . But its still a good truck. Hopefully the 07 XL-7 gets the same reviews...
Sep 10, 2006 (7:44 am)
So what are the official changes? I won't be happy until i see that the glass on the rear door can open, or that the engine is now 3.0l and has about 220hp or we get the diesel.
Sep 10, 2006 (7:48 am)
Did suzuki confirm it anywhere? Id be nice if the top could be removed. Kinda like a jeep wrangler but better looking. I think some people only buy wranglers to have a convertible and an SUV insted of having two different cars.
#722 of 1050 2007 Grand Vitara........
Sep 10, 2006 (10:35 am)
I just looked at a 2007 Grand Vitara and the only difference that I could see was that the fuel computer now gives average MPG.
Still has rear drum brakes. Still has a single rear door. In fact, the 2007 looked identical to my 2006 in every way. Same 17-inch rims, same interior.
I did, however spy the new SX4 sedan. Looks really nice. Imagine a car with a "locking" 4x4 system (2WD, AUTO (AWD High) and LOCK (AWD Lock), just like the GV. Suzuki will be entering the new SX4 sedan into the next world rally championship to compete against Citron, Subaru, and Mitsubishi. Right now the car has a 2.0 liter engine from the Areo, but the rally version will have a turbocharged/ intercooled 2.0 liter. This engine already provides torque of 65kg.m at 3,000rpm and 320bhp at 4,000-5,000 rpm.
You can see a pic of it here:
#723 of 1050 Re: No GV Diesels in OZ [autoboy16]
Sep 10, 2006 (11:22 am)
"he 05 GTO had a great engine and a crappy 4speed auto, the same with the 06 impala ss! "
I got a '06 GTO with the six speed. A sports car with an auto is like driving a motorcycle with training wheels!
"The 1.9 that was in the jetta did stop but thats only because vw is finishing up its 2.0l and 2.4l diesel"
Emissions killed the 1.9 TDI. It was replaced with the PD, which was already on the way out. To meet epa, they had to crank up the egr on the TDI's which, combined with poor quality US fuel, lead to widespread clogging of intake manifolds.
I also own a VW Jetta Wagon TDI 5 sp. I have a electonic gizmo that allows the disconection of the egr without triggering my CEL, so I have a squeeky clean intake. I also have a Vr6 clutch. Wett chip and Bosio injectors. It should have around 135hp and 250lbs of tq. Even though it is very fast, it still gets good mpg (46mpg last fill up).
#724 of 1050 13,000 mile update
Sep 13, 2006 (5:09 am)
My 06 Grand Vitara X Sport at 13,000 mile is still running like a king with no problems. had a minor vibration, which was taken care of with a balancing of the wheels, did everyone who is having that vibration try that?? Averaging about 22.3 MPG using Mobil1 full synthetic oil.
#725 of 1050 Re: 2007 Grand Vitara........ [vitara4me]
Sep 13, 2006 (2:30 pm)
Yes, again, Suzuki seldom "rushes" in new improvements to a newly intro'ed model. By the way, it will ALWAYS have drum brakes at the rear. Why?, it's a Suzuki, and it's built to a price so to speak.
There are several SX-4's on the lot here in the northwoods too, and even more Grand Vitara's. Re: the SX-4, too bad it's actually a bit shorter than the covered wagon look Aerio which it replaces. But then it's been said it's intended to compete with the Honda Fit, and the Mazda mini mini van.
Actually it's one up on the GV in the driveline department, as it can, as you point out, operate in 2wd only to maximize mileage. As to all those GV's on the lot here, it's about time to start looking for deep discounts on '06's, if one is so inclined, Should be some real deals out there soon.
On expanding wall foam, a bit of a history lesson here from the Suzuki love/angst files: Unbeknownst to all buyers of the then brand new to the market 4 door Sidekick, back in 1991, it's rustproofing treatment consited of a light mist of primer applied over particularly poor quality steel, with a thin frosting of not so durable paint on top. Consequence being, today, Rusty comes by his nickname quite honestly, if that's the right word to use?
Love/angst. I just hope the list of quirks that seem to come as standard equipment with a new Suzuki vehicle purchase, gets pared down to where it should be, somewhere closer towards Toyota or Honda territory. If those other motorcycle guys "in the hood" can do the deed there Suzuki, why not you guys? But back to wall foam. I've actually "injected" it in many places in the lower bodywork, not in an attempt at noise reduction per se, but rather as a last dich attempt to exclude some of the water comming in through Rusty's rusted rocker panels, etc. Along with "it", Bondo, and with carpets removed, silicone sealant applied on the interior side of pinhole sized rust holes in that area, well he's a real multi media artwork, for sure! But then again he's looking quite spruced up these days following a good brush painting recently with white Rustoleum primer, a good match for his original "Superior White" paint job! Let's see, maybe if I keep him long enough, Suzuki will pay me to take it off the street....? Ya, I'm in the market.... Drove the bud's Vitara recently deeper in the north woods here, and still have to wonder why pay more for a basic bush vehicle since Suzuki it's self doesn't even make one anymore? Decisions, decisions...
May you all still also remain [mostly] loyal Suzuki fans some 15 years hence too, but sans anything close to similar horror stories with the new GV. No, the lack of body work integrity nighmare is history, but.... But, I'm going to require a hell of a well finessed sales job before I buy my next Suzuki 4wd. Yes, again IT COULD WELL BE a GV, but likely only if it's eventually offered with a more economical engine, plus low range and the 5 speed manual, and skid plates, (just like they used to make 'em actually). In the meantime, the accounts re: your "issues" while the new GV is in it's "teething period" are most interesting.
Thanks again. Nwdsmn.
#726 of 1050 Re: 2007 Grand Vitara........ [norwoodsmn]
Sep 13, 2006 (6:05 pm)
"Yes, again IT COULD WELL BE a GV, but likely only if it's eventually offered with a more economical engine, plus low range and the 5 speed manual, and skid plates, (just like they used to make 'em actually"
I normally don't do this but in this case why don't you look at a Cr-v? Skid plates are standard. 4wd and 5speed manual are low cost options too.
#727 of 1050 Re: 2007 Grand Vitara........ [autoboy16]
Sep 13, 2006 (7:41 pm)
Well, you just can't get a low range transfer case on a CRV.
Good to hear from you again, norwoodsman. I understand the Canadian '07 GV's allow you to specify the low range on some of the cheaper models, AND with the manual transmission. So there's two objections taken care of.
The aftermarket is now supplying a 2" lift kit. I would expect aftermarket skid plates within a year. So that leaves the engine selection. It would make sense that if the current GV continues to sell well, for Suzuki to offer an off-road version. This current GV has nothing about it to prevent it from being set up to be a competent off-roader. In fact, it wouldn't take much.
(Btw, we canoed to Ahous Bay this summer, but visiting Blunden was too great a stretch for our party and time available.)
#728 of 1050 Re: 2007 Grand Vitara........ [xostnot]
Sep 14, 2006 (7:19 am)
Thanks the input from here "in the hood", (Beautiful British Columbia), xostnot, and to you, our Floridian bud autoboy16. Yes, I'm quite keen on the swoopy new CRV, (but for the front grille treatment), which is due to be unwrapped for the public at the end of this month. It would be a wonderful all weather ROAD vehicle. But those thoughtful, (more so than Suzuki), skid plates for the route in to the cottage, wouldn't be enough to help it traverse many of the roads xostnot and yrs. truly, tend to want to traverse here in the Great White North, ab16. But for God's sake, why didn't this guy trade up soonerfrom a '91 Sidekick?, y'all may be askin'?
1st: the orig. ALL NEW Grand Vitara:, (when was that, '99?), driving dynamics wise, it felt [to me] first and formost like you were piloting around a heavy engine with that V6 up front there in a chassis not all that much different from the Sidekick. As to the Vitara, first there was the looks, plus it actually was less fun to drive [again, to me] vs. the Sidekick. Further, as a considerable disappointment neither the Sidekick successor Grand Vitara or the Vitara model offered any real substantial improvement in space or load carrying capacity vs. Rusty the trusty Sidekick.
So it was only when the XL-7 debuted in '01, that I initially felt Suzuki had finally got it right, and built the rig I'd been waiting for, right up until I TD'd one. Yes, it had the additional cargo capacity/space I wanted, but it also had that almost wholly useless third row seat, (standard eqpt. to market it to soccer moms?), the combo of which didn't fold flat, "it" wasan't removable,plus this " "GREAT FEATURE" even included added benefit [NOT!] of one ending up with EVEN LESS second row legroom than in my Sidekick, for God's sake! But what was the real deal [non] clincher?, "IT SUCKED" (petrol) in a most alarmingly viceral of fashions, with the loud pedal to the floor as that standard slush box sought to Ouija board [game] it's way into somehow finding the right gear, just for you! PLUEEZZZEE, JEEZZZE LOUIZZZE! not for me at this price, I was literally forced to conclude.
But then came our ALL NEW GV, finally! But then came the news it wasan't, really, down there under the hood...
Lordie, oh Lordie, wherefore art thou?, I thought as I gazed out the window to, thankfully at least see Rusty still somehow holding together. And let me interject here, that's the Love part of the love/angst relationship. Mechanically the engine and trannie in particular, will not die....
So here we are. Hope you're "right there xostnot about low range and 5 speeds on "lesser models! But I wonder what they'd call it?, since "sport" moniker is currently taken by an auto trannie only equipped model seemingly designed for the tuner crowd? How about the Northwoodsman, (or Northwoodsperson to be politically correct)? I like it.
ps: Nice to hear you were out to sea there off Vancouver Island. My bud with his fleet of 4wd's including the Vitara, just completed a multi year sea kayaking circumnavigation of the isle, with the Bamfield to Victoria harbor segment. The kayaker lost at sea off the Brooks Penninsula this summer was known to him. Sad story there. Yes, always better to be safe than sorry out there, for sure.