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Suzuki Grand Vitara, SUV
#641 of 1050 No GV Diesels in OZ by
Jul 22, 2006 (5:26 pm)
g'day to you all. Here in Oz there are no suzukis sold with diesel engines either. Suzuki with a decently made diesel motor would have captured the Australian market compared to the toyota ravs and honda CRV and nissan xtrails. makes ya wonder about some sort of conspiracy between petroleum comapanies and car manufacturers. My 4WD suzuki grand vitara 2006 is going like a beauty - and I am taking it over some goat tracks (much faster than I should be driving) in my quest for the ultimate landscape photo. Sticks to the dirt goat tracks like glue. However, I would have to agree the vehicle is pretty heavy on the petrol. Cannot fault the ride quality on the 16" bridgestone duellers. Suzuki needs to extract their digit and start selling their vehicles with diesel engines. I hope they read these posts. Replaced my standard CD player with a JVC DVD MP3 player/radio and have now unfortunately lost the ability to control volume etc through the steering wheel controls - any suggestions or kits/connectors that you could put me onto in the USA or Canada would have to be worth a carton of good Aussie beer. Take care Xostnot and Norwoodsmn.
Cheers from Dowunder
#642 of 1050 Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara.......
Jul 22, 2006 (5:56 pm)
Well, I called "Suzuki of America" in Brea, California. (The number is 1-800-934-0934 in case anyone needs it) About a week later they called me back and told me that the original dealer (who now sells only Subaru) will finish the repairs.
Ok then, that still does not fix my vibration issue and melting floor.
The melting floor I can take care of myself, by building heat shields out of aluminum plate (available at Home Depot). I will just cut and bend pieces of aluminum plate around and above the exhaust system and that takes care of that! Of course, it costs me money out of pocket, but this is just a design flaw plain and simple. I would like to see the exhaust system on a '07 Grand Vitara to see if the heat issue has been addressed. It would be nice if Suzuki would reimburse me for any money spent fixing THEIR problems.
Vibration: The vibration certainly feels like drivetrain. If I accelerate to 55-65 mph, and immediately put the auto trans in neutral, the vibration goes away. It isn't wheel balance. It isn't the torque converter. I'm beginning to think that it isnít the driveshafts either. This feels like engine harmonics. Perhaps a weak cylinder? Maybe a couple of collapsed lifters? Partially clogged fuel injector? Poorly designed fuel rail/ return system? Crappy engine management software? I don't know. I'm still working on it. If the dealer can't find the vibration, I will. The hard part is ruling out major components such as transmission and engine. I have to narrow it down.
I will keep all posted on my progress. Even if I do find a solution, I may still trade it in or use the lemon law. It really all depends on how I am treated by Suzuki Corporate.
Right now in Chino, California it is 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 degrees Celsius). I wonder how many Grand Vitaras are melting their floors as I type this?
#643 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [vitara4me]
Jul 22, 2006 (7:04 pm)
Sorry to hear about your problems, Vitara4me.
The melting floor still sounds like Suzuki's problem from the original issue. I wouldn't bother with heat shields until they correct their problem.
We just made a trip from Lake Havasu,Az to Vegas this weekend and it too was over 110*F. We were fully loaded, A/C on and cruised at least 70mph without any hot problems. With the majority of highway driving, we averaged just over 22mpg. That was actual mpg, not reading the cheezy digital gauge.
Let us know how Suzuki takes care of your issues.
#644 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [vitara4me]
Jul 23, 2006 (7:56 am)
This comes from what I know about my GM v8's, but it would apply to your car.
Excess exhaust temps (egt) is causing your floor to melt. This is probably caused by excessive leaness in your fuel mixture. It could be one cylinder or more than one.
To prevent this, manufactors often dial in extra richness into the mixture (I know for a fact that VW and GM do this, everyone else probably does) to preserve the cat converters. Extra fuel reduces egt.
I have read numerous stories of people who with the help of software, leaned out the mixture and got more mpg and hp. A few of these people have also gotten melted cats!
The outside temp should not affect your condition. Drive your zuke hard then look at the cat in a dark garage. If it is glowing red, then that is not normal. If I was a 'zuke mechanic, I'd get an infrared temp gauge and compare the temp of the exhaust coming out of your zuke to others that are still stand ing on the lot. I'd also test the O2 sensors as these can cause these problems. Other things that cause your cats to over heat via excessive leaness include too much alcohol in the gas and a bad gasket somewhere.Don't insulate the floor as that is a bandaid solution. If your car is running hot like that, I guarantee you that you will have more problems down the road, like a blown head gasket.
As for the heat in your area, well, keep mind that most every car company in the world torture tests their cars in Death Valley. Even Alfa Romeo (who hasn't sold a car in the U.S. for years) has brought in cars to the 'states under the karnet program and has used to Death Valley to shake down their cars. Last week, it hit 126f degrees there.
#645 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [budman3]
Jul 25, 2006 (10:52 am)
Hello budman3. You can't smell it burning, nor can you actually see the floor melting. To check to see if your floor has melted, remove the floormat from the drivers footwell. Now look at your floor. It should be completely FLAT. If there is any depression, however small, in the floor under the gas pedal, then you have melting issues.
To be sure, you can check the floor yourself without removing the seat. Just lift up the carpet.
There is a plastic "door sill plate" that you just grab with your fingers and pull up till it pops loose. Then remove the two black round plastic carpet retainers behind the brake pedal. (they unscrew counter-clockwise). Next, remove the "dead pedal" by simply pulling up till it pops loose. Now you can lift up the carpet and take a look at the big white piece of foam (this melts last), and the black, gooey tar like sound insulation (this melts first). If there is a small black stain in your carpet (where the heel of your foot rests while driving), then this is the tar like material leaching into your carpet.
If any of you that own a 2006 Grand Vitara with an auto trans live in a warm or hot climate you really should check your floor. I can't be the only person out there with this issue.
#646 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [vitara4me]
Jul 25, 2006 (11:35 am)
Well, right past Baker, CA is a steep grade, about 40 miles long, to the top of the pass. I was driving in the slow lane (the same lane that the 18-wheelers use), about 65 MPH. The GV was in third gear revving about 6,000-6,500 RPM.
In my mind, you might be the only one that has this problem, as no one else seems to be having it. What were you thinking pulling a trailer for 40 miles at 6500 RPM, redlining the car up a steep grade???? Most vehicles under those circumstances are going to get a very hot catalytic converter. this car by far is not made to do 6500 rpm up a mountain for 40 Miles!!!! You are very lucky that Suzuki did not deny the repairs since you were redlining the car. Be lucky you weren't driving a GM or Ford vehicle, because you probably would have blown the engine!!!
#647 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [vitara4me]
Jul 25, 2006 (1:02 pm)
You can't smell it burning, nor can you actually see the floor melting. To check to see if your floor has melted ...
From your description it doesn't seem that actual melting is occuring. Rather, it sounds like the floor is softening. Of course, neither melting nor softening should be happening.
#648 of 1050 Re: Old dealer to fix my Grand Vitara....... [vitara4me]
Jul 25, 2006 (6:56 pm)
Vitara4me, I pulled up my carpet and saw the foam in perfect condition. I could see the black glue that holds it down but it seemed to be fine. There isn't anything on my carpet.
We haven't towed anything. I think we talked about this before and I agree with pciro2180. I wouldn't tell Suzuki too much about what you were doing, but they should be able to tell from the computer what the engine was operating at during that situation.
Sort of off subject, but I've been denied warranty because of "flashing" my GM trucks computer and a lift kit. Manufacturers are getting smart and denying claims to people putting aftermarket kits on their vehicles.
I was even asked by a Ford dealer if I put a K&N filter on my Mustang. If the oil from the filter gets on the MAF sensor and burns it out, warranty denied.
Dclark, I have a question. If the engine is running lean, wouldn't the exhaust manifold or pipe get red hot? OK, 2 questions. If the catalytic converter was red hot wouldn't that be an indication of too much fuel/hydrocarbons and the cat overheating or working too hard? Maybe one bank is running lean and the other rich and also causing a vibration.
Has anyone scanned your computer or even checked your tailpipe for emissions? It seems something should be very obvious.
I hope you get it figured out. Let me know if you need me to look at anything else. Budman
P.S., it was a good weekend in Vegas. Deuces wild!$$$
#649 of 1050 Pulling a small trailer.........
Jul 28, 2006 (11:47 am)
This is in response to pciro2180:
The Grand Vitara only has 184 HP. With the family and luggage in the car, and with the trailer in tow, it puts quite a strain on the engine. You posted, "What were you thinking pulling a trailer for 40 miles at 6500 RPM, redlining the car up a steep grade????" The Grand Vitara has an automatic transmission. I CAN"T force it to up-shift into a higher gear. The Suzuki chooses the gear and I have no input. Even if I lifted my foot off the accelerator, the trans still would not up-shift (another problem with the transmission shifting logic/ software). If the engine had just a little more HP and torque, I would not have had this problem, as I would have been in a lower gear. How many of your owners out there have even attempted to tow with your Grand Vitara? You are in for a big surprise!
You can only drive so slow on an Interstate Highway. Even at 65 MPH, I saw Toyota Tundra with a huge boat in tow, passing me as if I was standing still! Also saw a Hyundai Tuscan pulling a U-Haul closed trailer and he passed me no problem. Most people drive between 85-90 MPH on the way to Vegas. Most of the highway is in the middle of the desert and it is mostly flat and strait. I was TRYING to keep the speed at 55-65 MPH because I had a trailer in tow, and the Grand Vitara chose either 3rd or 4th gear to go up the hill. Yes, it was revving quite high, but if I lifted my foot enough to let the trans up-shift, the Grand Vitara would damn near came to a stop on the hill. When I tried to lower the RPMs, by lifting my foot off the accelerator, the Grand Vitara slowed to 40 MPH!! Sure, the engine is now at a happy 4,500 RPM, but now I am in danger of being rear-ended. Unless you have towed up a hill with your Grand Vitara, you really canít chastise me for what happened.
When I asked the dealer if I could tow with my 2006 Grand Vitara, the answer was, "Yes". According to the sales brochure, I can tow. The Grand Vitara tows just fine on a perfectly flat road, but it does not pull well on hills; not at all. It just does not have enough power or torque to get the job done properly.
I did tell the dealer about the high RPM, and how the trans would not up shift. Even the factory rep told me that his company car (2006 Grand Vitara) does not sometime up-shift while accelerating up a freeway on-ramp. The rep stated that sometime you have to lift your foot slightly to get the trans to shift. So there is some sort of problem with the trans shifting logic. The Grand Vitara is a "Drive-By-Wire" vehicle. What this means is that there is no "throttle cable" between your foot and the engine. The gas pedal is an electronic device, like a volume control, that tells the computer how far to open or close the throttle. There is a little electric motor on the intake manifold that actuates the throttle. Somehow, there is a problem with sensor input to the trans computer, or the programming is way off.
My Grand Vitara is a very early model, built in 2005. I will be driving a newer 2006 or a 2007 soon to see if any of these problems have been addressed.
#650 of 1050 Re: Pulling a small trailer......... [vitara4me]
Jul 28, 2006 (4:01 pm)
Vitara4me, AKA, Skyredline4me, How does your GV feel during normal driving? Does it have enough power? Maybe with your engine issue, you may have lost alot of power. You may have also "melted" the inside of the converter.
I've been driving into a head wind and going up a slight grade and the trans would shift in and out of overdrive. I've found it better to just leave it at #4 until conditions change. I've found that my Honda and truck with 200hp more than the GV does the same thing on the same road so I never really found any fault with the GV.
Maybe the next time you're in Vegas, we could meet for a couple free beers and swap GVs.