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High-End European Luxury Sedans

447 messages,  Last post on May 03, 2007 at 2:41 PM

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What is this discussion about? Jaguar XJ-Series, Maserati Quattroporte, Volkswagen Phaeton, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 7 Series, Audi A8, Sedan


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Re: Thank you... [stroudman] by pat HOST
May 13, 2005 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: stroudman (May 13, 2005 12:21 pm)

Right, that's what we're here for ...
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Re: Thank you... [stroudman] by paldi
May 13, 2005 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: stroudman (May 13, 2005 8:40 am)

Thank you. Yes it's true, fine value especially 30 percent off list for an untitled 2004 demo.
 
There are dozens going through the auctions lately. Mostly all company owned cars, demos, turnbacks and such. Some W12s with the 4-seater package next week! I hope to see a lot more on the street soon. After that, VW plans on building up sales gradually. No more big incentives. Maybe a thousand new sales this year.
 
So buy time is now to save big! But hey, the car is a great value new. Just over my budget.
 
Tomorrow is going to be a Saturday drive. Can't wait. Now, back to reading the manual...
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Re: High-End European Luxury Sedans [paldi] by denaliinpa
May 13, 2005 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: paldi (May 12, 2005 6:15 pm)

paldi this thread is a great idea.
congrats on your Phaeton purchase.
i too have grown weary of the jdpower and consumer report
afflicted and addicted. when it comes to exciting, engaging,
and attractive luxury sedans nobody comes close to the
Europeans.
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Re: Euro only.... [merc1] by paldi
May 14, 2005 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (May 12, 2005 10:14 pm)

Tell me more about the Maserati transmission. It's mounted in the rear, correct? Better weight distribution?
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Re: Euro only.... [paldi] by merc1
May 14, 2005 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: paldi (May 14, 2005 7:40 am)

. It's mounted in the rear, correct? Better weight distribution?
 
Yep rear mounted for better weight distribution, but that isn't the problem the most writers have with it. The Maser's tranny is one of the SMG/F1 type deals in which the clutch is actuated by a computer instead of your left foot. This is fine for people who like to use the shift pedals on the steering wheel, but in automatic mode it doesn't come anywhere near the smoothness of a traditional automatic. This what everyone complains about during a test drive. Then again this isn't a car for the average luxury car buyer either. There is supposed to be a V12 version of the Quattroporte sometime next year with a proper automatic as well as a manual/F1 per the current rumor mill. We'll see.
 
I've noticed that in recent months there are about 4-5 Quattroporte owners on the boad that post regularly, maybe we can get them to share there experiences here. Its a rare and special car that won't appeal to most, only that true enthusiast.
 
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Re: Euro only.... [merc1] by stroudman
May 14, 2005 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (May 14, 2005 9:16 am)

The quattroporte is quite a looker, IMO. I've never seen it in the flesh, but I haven't seen a bad angle, or photo of it, either. Great Italian design.
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Re: Euro only.... [stroudman] by merc1
May 14, 2005 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: stroudman (May 14, 2005 9:33 am)

Yes it is. The best looking sedans at the moment in this class are the A8L, S-Class and Quattroporte imo of course. The S-Class in its AMG sportswear in particular is still a stunning design 6 years later. The A8 is the most ultra modern that just plain says "cool" more than any other large sedan on the road. Oh and of course the VW Phaeton has a good, classically conservative look. The only one I can't used to is that 7-Series, even with the facelift.
 
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Re: Euro only.... [merc1] by stroudman
May 14, 2005 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (May 14, 2005 9:39 am)

Those are my favs as well. Certain facets of the 7 are quite cool, it's when you stand back and try to take it all in, that it just looks wierd. I do love the way it drives, once you can get it into drive, of course. It's too bad the big jag looks more like the X-type, these days. There's got to be a way to update and evolve that car, but I think they missed it a bit.
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Re: Euro only.... [paldi] by kbrookings
May 14, 2005 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: paldi (May 14, 2005 7:40 am)

I have a QP - I love the gear box but I don't drive it in auto mode. If tranny smoothness was my priority I would probably be happier had I bought an A8. But I was after adventure and exhileration and the QP and F1 type transmission delivers. Very fast shifts in Sport mode; faster than a human could do with a traditional manual transmission or something with a torque converter.
The gear box mount in the rear does contribute to the QP's rear weighted weight distribution which helps the car driver much smaller than it is and has a really pleasing turn in an other handling characteristics.
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Re: Euro only.... [merc1] by kbrookings
May 14, 2005 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (May 14, 2005 9:16 am)

merc1, in response to your question about QP owner's experience to date. It really is an emotional thing. I've had many really wonderful cars, including a most everything high end German car manufacturers have offered over the years. Many of these German machines were just magnificent.
But here is the difference: The QP calls to be played with. Whispers to me at night to come out and play - to see what kind of experience we might create together this time. Other wonderful cars I've had, particularly the Germans ones, wait in the garage for me to ask something from it; then it delivers with discipline, predictability and style. QPs are for luxury sedan buyers looking for an experience.
It does have some annoyances, to be sure. The Navigation system sucks big time. The 4K massaging seats don't really massage. Given that its a great road trip car it cold use another cup holder. The Consule refrigerator/warmer is GIPE (Good Idea, Poor Execution). But the car has style, sex appeal and just begged to be driven (usually fast).

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