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You are in the Sedans
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Jaguar XJ-Series, Maserati Quattroporte, Volkswagen Phaeton, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 7 Series, Audi A8, Sedan
#402 of 448 Gorgeous
Dec 18, 2005 (10:19 pm)
Some interesting pics from a link in my monthly email from Maserati.
I was somewhat delighted to read this about the Quattroporte's sales:
Maserati's Quattroporte is dominating sales of luxury sport sedans over $100,000 despite and in part because of its limited production. American consumers are showing they appreciate Quattroporte's unique balance of performance, style and cachet by more than 3:1 over BMW's 760i and 760Li combined.
The segment in which the Quattroporte will win the 2005 sales race includes the BMW 750iL, 760i, and 760Li, the Bentley Flying Spur, and the Mercedes S55, S65 and S600. Those who have driven them all will attest that, while the Quattroporte shares a price segment with the others, it stands alone on the road. Source
I wouldn't doubt the "on-the-road" observation from a sport sedan point of view compared with those cars. I would love to see the sales numbers for each though. In that last paragraph they must mean that the Maser is going to outsell the 760i and 760Li together, and the 750Li seperately as a single model. Is the Quattroporte really going to outsell the 750Li? The Mercedes S55/S65 and Bentley are all more powerful, but heavier, a lot heavier in the case of the Bentley Flying Brick. The BMW 760i Sport is a sporty car, but I would imagine that not even it has the reflexes and charisma of the Maserati. Too bad there is no "M7". None of these have a SMG type gearbox and only the Bentley can compete with the Maser on a "custom feel" point of view when it comes to the interior, but even then some of its VW switchgear pokes through. Interesting bunch of cars though, not a boring one in the bunch. I wonder Maserati thinks of the Jaguar XJ Super V8 P. Oh, there is one company that could make a sedan to match the Maser in every way, but they don't make one at the moment, Aston-Martin.
Interesting they don't consider the M5 or CLS55 competitors. Alrightly then lets see a comparo between the 760i Sport, S55 AMG, XJ Super V8 Portfolio, and Quattroporte then, one of you U.S. magazines!
#403 of 448 Re: S8 [designman]
Dec 18, 2005 (10:51 pm)
Oops I read that wrong. I didn't see that you were merely presenting our previous conversation.
Dec 18, 2005 (10:55 pm)
I forgot, "Gorgeous" is Jaguar's line isn't it?
Does it apply? You be the judge.
#405 of 448 Re: S8 [merc1]
Dec 19, 2005 (1:00 pm)
The Masseratti(sp) is a great looking car, but apparently there are some nusances to be worked out, according to some owners...I wonder how the sales of it compare to the Audi w12....Tony
#406 of 448 Re: Gorgeous [merc1]
Dec 19, 2005 (2:56 pm)
I think the CLS55 is an obvious ommission from the Maser competitor list... has a much more distinct and custom-coach feel than the more "mainstream" competitors. Believe the M5 leans so much more toward the sport side of the equation, than it won't be cross-shopped (as much) against the Maser like the stated competitors + the CLS55!
#407 of 448 Re: S8 [anthonyp]
Dec 19, 2005 (11:54 pm)
Well unless something has changed, the A8 W12 is a 150-200 unit-per-year car here in the U.S. I've only seen one since it came out.
#408 of 448 Re: Gorgeous [lovemyclk]
Dec 19, 2005 (11:59 pm)
Actually I think the M5 is a direct competitor to the Quattroporte also because they both have SMG-style trannies and both are thoroughbred sports sedans that make no apologies.
It is quite easy to beat the cars Maserati mentioned on dynamics and sheer driving excitement, but it is a lot harder to do that to the CLS55 and especially the M5.
Would have seemed hard to believe a few years ago, but the Cadillac STS-V actually competes in this league. Audi has an interesting pair of competitors too for the Quattroporte, the already announced S8 and upcoming S6/RS6.
What a wonderful time to be a high-end sports sedan buyer!
#409 of 448 S8 Video
Dec 21, 2005 (2:28 am)
S8 In Action
Warning: It is in German, but the engine sounds aren't. The test driver's skill is pretty awesome too.
#410 of 448 Re: Gorgeous [merc1]
Dec 21, 2005 (7:04 am)
Well, I agree to a point... still believe the M5 is a much more finely tuned performance machine, where the Maser makes more of a fashion statement to go with a still-superb performance capability. Saw 2 new M5's at my dealer recently and was very impressed - was not able to drive them, though.
The Caddy does "compete", but has some ground to cover to reach 1st place. Not the biggest fan of the STS design, but would still take one in a NY minute. Kudo's to Caddy for getting in the game in a big way...
#411 of 448 Re: Gorgeous [lovemyclk]
Dec 22, 2005 (12:55 am)
The M5 may very well be, but I won't likely get the chance to drive either so....I'll have to take your word on this one.
Oh I agree about the STS-V. Automobile says it can't compete with the Germans, and MT put the CLS55 over the STS-V, but C&D put the STS-V over the CLS55, mainly because of the price and better back seat.