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Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [vchiu] by designman
Dec 07, 2005 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 6:57 am)

Looks like some high-school kid modded a Lexus GS. All it needs is chrome spinners and neon.
 
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Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [designman] by paldi
Dec 08, 2005 (12:15 am)
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Replying to: designman (Dec 07, 2005 10:59 am)

I much prefer the cleaner look of the German sedans especially Audi A8 and Phaeton.
 
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Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [paldi] by vchiu
Dec 08, 2005 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: paldi (Dec 08, 2005 12:15 am)

For me, the main problem of the Citroen C6 lies in the poor engine offer. The diesel is fair, but the gasoline 208HP V6 3.0 is weak. The car is much heavier than an XJ8.
No turbo nor V8 makes the car perform slightly better than an entry level BMW 520i.
 
Top price nearly 60K USD, that hurts...
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S8 by merc1
Dec 14, 2005 (4:57 am)
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My apologies to people with grille aversions, but this car is awesome, of course IMO.
 

 

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Merc by anthonyp
Dec 15, 2005 (2:20 pm)
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The sport suspension for me is just right, and the a8 has worked fully right out the box....At first the windsheild wipers made a sqeeky noise as the wiped, and I thought I need new blades, but for some reason it stopped on its own..The blue tooth has worked as soon as it was mated properly, and the navigation is the best for me out of all of them for the last ten years or so....I still think a person needs to keep in mind where they are going, or the guidance can take you an around about way... The short wheelbase is also just fine...Tony
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Re: Merc [anthonyp] by merc1
Dec 15, 2005 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Dec 15, 2005 2:20 pm)

Glad to hear you enjoying your A8!
 
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Re: S8 [merc1] by garyh1
Dec 15, 2005 (10:28 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 14, 2005 4:57 am)

My apologies to people with grille aversions, but this car is awesome, of course IMO.
 
I agree Merc, I like everything about the car except that grille. Or I should say, the way that grille looks with reference to the rest of the car. Designman, I don't recall if I ever saw your opinion of the grille. Am I wrong, or does it just not go with any other design element of the car? Is there anything else that gives any cues to the grille's vertical elongation? At least on the Chrysler 300, the grille shape better fits with the other design elements (even if it is not exactly my taste). Does the strip across the Audi's grille even look like it directly syncs with the bumper to either side of it?
 
While we're on the subject of front ends, what do you think of the new RR's? Its grille is SO starkly square; but at least the rest of the car has a lot of squared off elements. But it's just too boxy for my eye. Not that RR has to worry about losing my sale due solely to its styling....
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Re: S8 [garyh1] by designman
Dec 16, 2005 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Dec 15, 2005 10:28 pm)

Gary, here is a discussion that Merc and I had in the LPS thread on the S8 grille.
 
Designman:
Merc, that S8 grille looks like a sewer grid. People will be inclined to throw candy wrappers and cigarette butts into it. And it has the net effect of some fat ol’ plumber walking around with a big square patch cut out of the seat of his pants. Help me out, am I missing something?
  
Merc1:
Well just picture me jumping up and down on a table in disagreement. I think you have to look at the whole car to appreciate the grille, not just the grille itself, IMO. It fits on the A8 and A4 better than the A6, IMO of course.
 
Am I wrong, or does it just not go with any other design element of the car? Is there anything else that gives any cues to the grille's vertical elongation?
 
Does the strip across the Audi's grille even look like it directly syncs with the bumper to either side of it?

 
I’m not really inclined to analyze it. In my opinion it just sucks, plain and simple. It’s like someone shaving only one side of his head to get attention. Lexusguy presented the only logic I can figure that makes any sense, curious as it is, that the motif was the old Auto Union grilles.
 
At least on the Chrysler 300, the grille shape better fits with the other design elements (even if it is not exactly my taste).
 
It does? That thing is a Neanderthal meat mallot IMO.
 
While we're on the subject of front ends, what do you think of the new RR's?
 
I like it, but not in the sense that I like other cars. To me, Rolls is a monolith, its elements and sheer being transcend time. That grille is the Parthenon. How can you look at the Parthenon and say you don’t like it? It rises above fashion so it does not really lend itself to taste, I think. If they try to fashion it, I believe it will fall into the muck. The car is not really a vehicle, it’s a venue. It’s the Plaza Hotel.
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Re: S8 [designman] by merc1
Dec 16, 2005 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Dec 16, 2005 12:34 pm)

Merc1:
Well just picture me jumping up and down on a table in disagreement. I think you have to look at the whole car to appreciate the grille, not just the grille itself, IMO. It fits on the A8 and A4 better than the A6, IMO of course.

 
Hey I've done that before! I agree that you have to look at the whole car, which is what I do. I agree about it fitting better on the A4 and A8 than it does on the A6, but I like the way it looks on all three of course.
 
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Re: S8 [merc1] by designman
Dec 16, 2005 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 16, 2005 1:49 pm)

Whuh?? You're agreeing with yourself? Either you read that wrong or I could have presented the dialogue better.

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