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#383 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [merc1] by vchiu Dec 07, 2005 (5:57 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Dec 06, 2005 11:04 pm) Ok, Here is home made the summary translation   This is exclusive for Edmunds.com Forum. I should get a free subscription Theme Audi BMW Mercedes max Room/ flexibility 25 27 29 40 Boot space/ loading ability 27 21 22 30 Seat and seating position 29 28 30 30 Space feeling and round vision 16 17 19 20 Equipment/ease of use 23 18 25 30 Safety equipment 33 34 34 30 Material quality 19 18 18 20 Body overall 172 163 177 200 Ranking 2 3 1   Audi : smaller head clearance, good loading ability, good towing ability, limited rear vision, no tire pressure gauge, high quality. BMW Tidy available space, small additional load, moderate all-round visibility, partly complicated operation, simple comfort equipment Merc Best space, big boot, very small loading capacity, good use, higher level comfort equipment, good quality impression.   Performances 36 39 38 40 road handling 29 27 28 30 Noise level 7 9 10 10 Ride comfort 27 29 29 30 Gearbox 19 18 20 20 Steering/ radius 19 18 18 20 Engine quality 19 18 19 20 Brakes 23 25 25 30 Powertrain / suspension 179 183 187 200 Ranking 3 2 1   Audi : Secure Handling, the noisiest, not the best comfort, steering weel with good feeling, reactive engine, excellent auto gearbox. BMW : best road handling, good suspension, Reference brakes , occasionally hectic transmission, Steering with good feedback. Merc : Fantastic brakes, Sovereign performances, secure handling, Good suspension and ride confort despite 19 inch tires. Tax/insurance 19 13 13 20 Gas mileage/ environment 18 18 20 30 Guarantee 12 6 13 20 Care/service 17 17 17 20 Extra service quality 6 6 5 10 Cost of ownership 72 60 68 100 Ranking 1 3 2   Audi: Often thirsty, need Super plus, economical repair costs, good Guarantee. BMW : Minimalist guarantee, requires Super plus, Expensive repairs. Merc : limited thirst, best Guarantee, expensive Options TEST RESULTS 423 406 432 500 Ranking 2 3 1 AUDI : Such a big ship is missing passenger space. Could be more quieter and offer more MpG. BMW : quick, nimble and secure is the municher. But the TCO/Repair costs are way too high. It costs many points. MErc : The S-Klasse secures this quality chapter. There aren't any weak spot. The new reference has a name : MERCEDES.   Base price 48 39 20 80 Reselling price 17 12 19 20 Overall results 488 457 471 600 Ranking 1 3 2   Audi : The A8 is not the quickest deluxe cruiser. But it offers an All-included pack of Luxe and Technique. For the cheapset price (of the 3). That's enough for the victory BMW : When cruising one does not want to live with place problems, a luggage limitation and bad service. The BMW just fares for 3rd. MERC : The new S-Class can do everything - and that particularly well. Dream cruises are however expensive. Therefore the Daimler ship runs in only as the second. Replies to this message: merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:03 am) pat (Dec 07, 2005 9:46 am)
#384 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [designman] by merc1 Dec 07, 2005 (6:01 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 07, 2005 4:42 am) Thanks for making is more-clear (dubya-speak) for me...lol.   M
#385 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [vchiu] by merc1 Dec 07, 2005 (6:03 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 5:57 am) Thanks!   It is always interesting to see what the European press rates cars on. Some of that criteria is never mentioned in the U.S. press.   Mercedes has definitely turned the corner regarding build quality as all of their recent releases (CLS,S,SLK) have gotten praise for their build. All that is except the made in the U.S. M-Class, which has improved, but is still behind the competition in this area.   M
#386 of 447 A little-known alternative European High-End by vchiu Dec 07, 2005 (6:57 am)
The French Citroen C6 probably won't be imported in the US, but check out this UK test report   http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/C/citroen/c6-05-/index.html   "There are plenty of motorists who don't want a super-taut Germanic driving machine - and the C6 is targeted directly at them".   This is the French way to see the high-end. what will designman think about this one? Replies to this message: lovemyclk (Dec 07, 2005 9:15 am) designman (Dec 07, 2005 10:59 am) paldi (Dec 08, 2005 12:15 am) vchiu (Dec 08, 2005 5:09 am)
#387 of 447 Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [vchiu] by lovemyclk Dec 07, 2005 (9:15 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 6:57 am) If in the U.S. market, it would probably get murdered by the Toyota Avalon. The C6 has a design that could only come from France   Those tail lights...
#388 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [vchiu] by pat HOST Dec 07, 2005 (9:46 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 5:57 am) Ask and you shall receive. You are hereby awarded a free LIFETIME subscription. Congratulations!!
#389 of 447 Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [vchiu] by designman Dec 07, 2005 (10:59 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 6:57 am) Looks like some high-school kid modded a Lexus GS. All it needs is chrome spinners and neon.   Replies to this message: paldi (Dec 08, 2005 12:15 am) vchiu (Dec 08, 2005 5:09 am)
#390 of 447 Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [designman] by paldi Dec 08, 2005 (12:15 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 07, 2005 10:59 am) I much prefer the cleaner look of the German sedans especially Audi A8 and Phaeton.   Replies to this message: vchiu (Dec 08, 2005 5:09 am)
#391 of 447 Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [paldi] by vchiu Dec 08, 2005 (5:09 am)
Replying to: paldi (Dec 08, 2005 12:15 am) For me, the main problem of the Citroen C6 lies in the poor engine offer. The diesel is fair, but the gasoline 208HP V6 3.0 is weak. The car is much heavier than an XJ8. No turbo nor V8 makes the car perform slightly better than an entry level BMW 520i.   Top price nearly 60K USD, that hurts...
#392 of 447 S8 by merc1 Dec 14, 2005 (4:57 am)
My apologies to people with grille aversions, but this car is awesome, of course IMO.     Say ahhh..   Daily Training     Ready for takeoff!     M Replies to this message: garyh1 (Dec 15, 2005 10:28 pm) designman (Dec 16, 2005 12:34 pm) merc1 (Dec 16, 2005 1:49 pm) and 3 more... garyh1 (Dec 16, 2005 3:45 pm) merc1 (Dec 18, 2005 10:51 pm) and 2 more...

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