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#378 of 447 Re: That color, on a Phaeton - with Bentley wheels! [merc1] by paldi Dec 05, 2005 (11:55 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Dec 04, 2005 9:30 pm) Prices vary depending upon motivation of the seller. If a set of "take-offs" from a new Bentley GT is what you are looking for, the price of the set of 4 wheels & tires can be from $1,500 to nearly $4,000.   I believe the wheels are about $600 each from Bentley including the logo center caps, plus $75.00 for each TPMS sensor. The 275 40 19 Pirelli PZero tires go for about $250 - $300 each. Then you need to pay for balancing and mounting. Michelin Pilots cost a bit more.
#379 of 447 A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 by vchiu Dec 06, 2005 (6:49 am)
It may be interesting to look how the high-end big three are seen at home :   http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=10076   "Meeting of the German Deluxe Cruisers" (Sorry, nor German nor English are my native tongue)   Those who can't read German may try babelfish web page translation.   In short, the new S500 Takes the lead, if financial issues are not being considered. Otherwise, the A8 takes the Overall lead. The BMW, although the most performant, comes third. Low resale value + expensive cost of repair being the key issues   Very interesting article. They should have added the XJ8 4.2. This car worths much more Replies to this message: merc1 (Dec 06, 2005 11:04 pm) designman (Dec 07, 2005 4:42 am) merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:01 am) vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 5:57 am) merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:03 am) pat (Dec 07, 2005 9:46 am)
#380 of 447 audi by anthonyp Dec 06, 2005 (1:57 pm)
I do not know from experience about the new S, but I can recomend the A8 with the sports suspension, as a great driving and so far ownership experience...I think everyone wants more horsepower on paper, but the engine and handling and feel leave nothing to be desired Tony
#381 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [vchiu] by merc1 Dec 06, 2005 (11:04 pm)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 06, 2005 6:49 am)   Nice. I wish I knew what they were saying.   M Replies to this message: designman (Dec 07, 2005 4:42 am) merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:01 am) vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 5:57 am) merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:03 am) pat (Dec 07, 2005 9:46 am)
#382 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [merc1] by designman Dec 07, 2005 (4:42 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Dec 06, 2005 11:04 pm) They’re saying…   "Vee tvist a nut here, vee tvist a bolt zere, und zen suh cars verk better." Replies to this message: merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:01 am)
#383 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [merc1] by vchiu Dec 07, 2005 (5:57 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Dec 06, 2005 11:04 pm) Ok, Here is home made the summary translation   This is exclusive for Edmunds.com Forum. I should get a free subscription Theme Audi BMW Mercedes max Room/ flexibility 25 27 29 40 Boot space/ loading ability 27 21 22 30 Seat and seating position 29 28 30 30 Space feeling and round vision 16 17 19 20 Equipment/ease of use 23 18 25 30 Safety equipment 33 34 34 30 Material quality 19 18 18 20 Body overall 172 163 177 200 Ranking 2 3 1   Audi : smaller head clearance, good loading ability, good towing ability, limited rear vision, no tire pressure gauge, high quality. BMW Tidy available space, small additional load, moderate all-round visibility, partly complicated operation, simple comfort equipment Merc Best space, big boot, very small loading capacity, good use, higher level comfort equipment, good quality impression.   Performances 36 39 38 40 road handling 29 27 28 30 Noise level 7 9 10 10 Ride comfort 27 29 29 30 Gearbox 19 18 20 20 Steering/ radius 19 18 18 20 Engine quality 19 18 19 20 Brakes 23 25 25 30 Powertrain / suspension 179 183 187 200 Ranking 3 2 1   Audi : Secure Handling, the noisiest, not the best comfort, steering weel with good feeling, reactive engine, excellent auto gearbox. BMW : best road handling, good suspension, Reference brakes , occasionally hectic transmission, Steering with good feedback. Merc : Fantastic brakes, Sovereign performances, secure handling, Good suspension and ride confort despite 19 inch tires. Tax/insurance 19 13 13 20 Gas mileage/ environment 18 18 20 30 Guarantee 12 6 13 20 Care/service 17 17 17 20 Extra service quality 6 6 5 10 Cost of ownership 72 60 68 100 Ranking 1 3 2   Audi: Often thirsty, need Super plus, economical repair costs, good Guarantee. BMW : Minimalist guarantee, requires Super plus, Expensive repairs. Merc : limited thirst, best Guarantee, expensive Options TEST RESULTS 423 406 432 500 Ranking 2 3 1 AUDI : Such a big ship is missing passenger space. Could be more quieter and offer more MpG. BMW : quick, nimble and secure is the municher. But the TCO/Repair costs are way too high. It costs many points. MErc : The S-Klasse secures this quality chapter. There aren't any weak spot. The new reference has a name : MERCEDES.   Base price 48 39 20 80 Reselling price 17 12 19 20 Overall results 488 457 471 600 Ranking 1 3 2   Audi : The A8 is not the quickest deluxe cruiser. But it offers an All-included pack of Luxe and Technique. For the cheapset price (of the 3). That's enough for the victory BMW : When cruising one does not want to live with place problems, a luggage limitation and bad service. The BMW just fares for 3rd. MERC : The new S-Class can do everything - and that particularly well. Dream cruises are however expensive. Therefore the Daimler ship runs in only as the second. Replies to this message: merc1 (Dec 07, 2005 6:03 am) pat (Dec 07, 2005 9:46 am)
#384 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [designman] by merc1 Dec 07, 2005 (6:01 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 07, 2005 4:42 am) Thanks for making is more-clear (dubya-speak) for me...lol.   M
#385 of 447 Re: A8 4.2 Vs 750 Vs S500 [vchiu] by merc1 Dec 07, 2005 (6:03 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 5:57 am) Thanks!   It is always interesting to see what the European press rates cars on. Some of that criteria is never mentioned in the U.S. press.   Mercedes has definitely turned the corner regarding build quality as all of their recent releases (CLS,S,SLK) have gotten praise for their build. All that is except the made in the U.S. M-Class, which has improved, but is still behind the competition in this area.   M
#386 of 447 A little-known alternative European High-End by vchiu Dec 07, 2005 (6:57 am)
The French Citroen C6 probably won't be imported in the US, but check out this UK test report   http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/C/citroen/c6-05-/index.html   "There are plenty of motorists who don't want a super-taut Germanic driving machine - and the C6 is targeted directly at them".   This is the French way to see the high-end. what will designman think about this one? Replies to this message: lovemyclk (Dec 07, 2005 9:15 am) designman (Dec 07, 2005 10:59 am) paldi (Dec 08, 2005 12:15 am) vchiu (Dec 08, 2005 5:09 am)
#387 of 447 Re: A little-known alternative European High-End [vchiu] by lovemyclk Dec 07, 2005 (9:15 am)
Replying to: vchiu (Dec 07, 2005 6:57 am) If in the U.S. market, it would probably get murdered by the Toyota Avalon. The C6 has a design that could only come from France   Those tail lights...

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