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#333 of 447 Re: CLS [garyh1] by merc1 Nov 05, 2005 (5:31 am)
Replying to: garyh1 (Nov 04, 2005 9:48 am) Then you both missed the point of the CLS. It isn't about practical seating arrangements. It is about having the capability to sometimes carry people in the back like a proper sedan, but with much better styling than the average sedan.   The CLS isn't a "logic" car it is a stylish add on to the otherwise practical Mercedes sedan lineup. It is the emotional choice, not a rational one.   It is for people who want something different and a lot of people do if its sales are anything to go buy. With a car like the CLS some people will get it and other won't thats the whole appeal of such a car to some.   M
#334 of 447 CLS - Hitting the nail on the head by emauss Nov 05, 2005 (6:58 am)
"The CLS isn't a "logic" car it is a stylish add on to the otherwise practical Mercedes sedan lineup. It is the emotional choice, not a rational one"   I think you hit the nail on the head. My friend who has the CLS55 has it as his "good weather" car. His other vehicle is a Phaeton. The combination of the two make sense (well, actually DOLLARS would be a better term, but that is not relevant to this discussion). My objections to the CLS revolve around the lack of practicality for my individual situation. Taken in combination with a "luxury only" vehicle that does not masquerade as a sports car, it works fine. Replies to this message: garyh1 (Nov 05, 2005 9:44 am) emauss (Nov 05, 2005 6:19 pm)
#335 of 447 Re: CLS - Hitting the nail on the head [emauss] by garyh1 Nov 05, 2005 (9:44 am)
Replying to: emauss (Nov 05, 2005 6:58 am) My friend who has the CLS55 has it as his "good weather" car. His other vehicle is a Phaeton.   I was all ready to reply to merc1's post to thank him for his explanation and to say I now got it. Then I read your post and it totally confused me again. If I had a Phaeton as my "people mover", for my second car I would still get a real coupe or roadster, not a CLS.   I guess I'll stick with merc1's explanation, and leave you to deal with your friend - he must be an interesting fellow. Replies to this message: emauss (Nov 05, 2005 6:19 pm)
#336 of 447 Re: CLS - Hitting the nail on the head [garyh1] by emauss Nov 05, 2005 (6:19 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (Nov 05, 2005 9:44 am) To him,a 911 is just too low to the ground.   Go figure.....
#337 of 447 CLS, 911, Phaeton by merc1 Nov 06, 2005 (5:31 am)
I can understand what type of buyer he is. He really doesn't want a "sports car" like the 911, but a touring car like the CLS55 AMG. Lots of engine and brakes, but still rides good with power to outrun almost anything you'd encounter on the road.   Of course the Phaeton's heft, V8 (or does he have a W12?) and awd I would imagine make it unstoppable in bad weather.   That said I'd add a 911 Carrera S Cabrio or SL55 AMG to the mix. I suspect he'd like the SL55 AMG better.   M Replies to this message: emauss (Nov 06, 2005 9:56 am) paldi (Nov 06, 2005 4:03 pm) emauss (Nov 06, 2005 9:48 pm)
#338 of 447 Just got to Baltimore...3 hours in Phaeton by emauss Nov 06, 2005 (9:56 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Nov 06, 2005 5:31 am) It was very nice. I drove all the way, and the car rides GREAT. Can't wait for my Audi....shudda ordered the double pane glass! Replies to this message: paldi (Nov 06, 2005 4:03 pm) emauss (Nov 06, 2005 9:48 pm)
#339 of 447 Re: Just got to Baltimore...3 hours in Phaeton [emauss] by paldi Nov 06, 2005 (4:03 pm)
Replying to: emauss (Nov 06, 2005 9:56 am) Philly to Reston Virginia 3.5 hours - felt more relaxed in my Phaeton than in my den. Sport setting great on the cloverleafs, 35 pounds air in the tires, can't hear anything outside thanks to the dual glass and the insulation in the doors and body. The car flys!   Needs updaiting... Wheels, grill area redo, eliminate side chrome strip, more aggressive fenderline. Replies to this message: emauss (Nov 06, 2005 9:48 pm)
#340 of 447 Re: Just got to Baltimore...3 hours in Phaeton [paldi] by emauss Nov 06, 2005 (9:48 pm)
Replying to: paldi (Nov 06, 2005 4:03 pm) Amen to all those items.   As you know I have the A8L on order and am happy with that, but I would not have gone wrong at all with the VW. It is certainly a classy, luxurious and comfortable vehicle.   All the nay-sayers have n0ot driven the car. If they did, they would be believers.   It is in an elite class and belongs there!   (E)
#341 of 447 Paldi..where is... by emauss Nov 07, 2005 (5:06 am)
..where is the control for the seat massage on the Phaeton? The car I am driving has the upgraded leather and I found the switch for the fan in the seat...but could not find the massage feature. Is it near the lumbar knob?   (e) Replies to this message: paldi (Nov 07, 2005 8:13 am) emauss (Nov 09, 2005 12:40 pm)
#342 of 447 Re: Paldi..where is... [emauss] by paldi Nov 07, 2005 (8:13 am)
Replying to: emauss (Nov 07, 2005 5:06 am) The seat message control button is the square push button directly under the lumbar controller (round joystick at top left of seat control buttons). It runs for 10 minutes. To turn it off sooner, move the lumbar joystick in any direction, briefly.   BTW, the switchs for the seat fans heats the seat if you go +1, +2 or +3 and cools the seat if you go - 1,-2 or -3.   Replies to this message: emauss (Nov 09, 2005 12:40 pm)

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