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What is this discussion about? Jaguar XJ-Series, Maserati Quattroporte, Volkswagen Phaeton, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 7 Series, Audi A8, Sedan


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CLS sales rjlaero & merc1 by scott1256
Nov 03, 2005 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: rjlaero (Nov 03, 2005 5:59 am)

Dealer stock is really low on the CLS: sales would probably be higher if availability was better. Even so numbers are well ahead of projections.
 
I hope MB will increase CLS production. It is one of my favorite sedans of the last 25-30 years.
 
You can send me a CLS if you want. I have a space for it in my 'favorite sedan garage' along with a Jaguar XJ Super and a Cadillac DTS.
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CLS by emauss
Nov 03, 2005 (1:59 pm)
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I don't agree....Maybe it's sour grapes, but my boss has a CLS 55AMG (and Phaeton for bad weather) and I am not impressed. The level of luxury is below that of the S class, and while there is a lot more room in the rear than, say, a Lexus SC430, I think of the backseat in a similar way (okay...it's more like the BMW 650...) I do enjoy driving it, but for the 110K he paid, I think there are better choices. (Did someone say Maserati??) Then again, I bought a lowly Audi A8L
 
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Re: CLS [emauss] by lovemyclk
Nov 03, 2005 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: emauss (Nov 03, 2005 1:59 pm)

You're not impressed by a 469HP CLS55? Given the "personal" design mission of this striking 4-door coupe, how and where is the luxury level beneath an S-Class? It certainly never had the intention of matching the S in interior room. Just want to know...
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Re: CLS [lovemyclk] by emauss
Nov 03, 2005 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: lovemyclk (Nov 03, 2005 3:14 pm)

The car seemed closer on the inside to a loaded E-class than to an S-class. Even the closing of the doors seemed "not as nice" as the all-out luxury cars.
  Another friend has an E55. The interior of that seems very comparable to the CLS55. Neither one is bad (far from it), but they are both (IMHO) inferior to the S, the Audi and VW.
 
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Re: CLS [emauss] by merc1
Nov 03, 2005 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: emauss (Nov 03, 2005 1:59 pm)

Well the CLS is a E-Class underneath, not an S-Class level vehicle. The CLS55 AMG isn't about luxury as much as it is about speed and power so comparing it to a A8/S-Class or Phaeton isn't exactly apples to apples. The Maserati Quattroporte is a gorgeous car for sure, but its tanny and ride aren't even close to the CLS from eveything I've seen. Plus the CLS55 will blow it away on anything but a twisty mountain road.
 
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Re: CLS [merc1] by garyh1
Nov 03, 2005 (11:05 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 03, 2005 9:21 pm)

The thing I don't get about the CLS is who is supposed to buy it. If you want to accommodate rear seat passengers, easier access through rear doors is fine, but once in there, wouldn't you want to give them reasonably comfortable head room? And if you don't care about putting folks in the back, why deal with the design limitations of the 4 door design, when you can pick even better looking, better proportioned 2 door models?
 
I guess it works for the person who really wants a 2 door sports car, but has small kids who he or she needs carry in the back.
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Re: CLS [garyh1] by merc1
Nov 03, 2005 (11:55 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Nov 03, 2005 11:05 pm)

I guess it works for the person who really wants a 2 door sports car, but has small kids who he or she needs carry in the back.
 
Well that could be one person that would buy a CLS, but the main draw for the CLS is the styling, interior and performance, with all that practical jazz coming second. It really isn't much different from buyers who purchase a SC430 or 911 and try to use their backseats. Which are useless compared to the CLS. Not that the 911, CLS and SC430 are competitors, just that they are similarly compromised from a practical point of view. I think the 2007 CLS550 with the 5.5L V8 (382hp) will be a relative bargain within the Mercedes lineup.
 
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Re: CLS [merc1] by bdr127
Nov 04, 2005 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 03, 2005 11:55 pm)

It really isn't much different from buyers who purchase a SC430 or 911 and try to use their backseats.
 
I think the point, though, is that MB made the CLS with 4 doors.... Other cars like the SC430 and 911 you mentioned only have 2 doors, which lends to more sporty styling.
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Re: CLS [bdr127] by merc1
Nov 04, 2005 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: bdr127 (Nov 04, 2005 6:36 am)

Other cars like the SC430 and 911 you mentioned only have 2 doors, which lends to more sporty styling.
 
Yeah in the case of the 911 sure, but not in the case of the ladybug wearing manhole covers for wheels SC430. Nothing sporty about its styling in the least to me.
 
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Re: CLS [merc1] by garyh1
Nov 04, 2005 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Nov 04, 2005 8:46 am)

bdr127 got my point exactly. To try to keep this out of the neverending MB/Lexus fires that somehow merc1 couldn't resist stoking , I'm saying I'd go for a SL or CL (or even a SLK) over the CLS if I didn't care about people in the back. And if I did care about back seat comfort, I'd go for an E over the CLS.

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