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#183 of 712 FORD DEMONSTRATES WHY IT DOESN'T PAY TO GO GREEN
Oct 19, 2007 (10:24 pm)
Ordered my 2008 4WD FEH on 7/30/2007. At the time there were none to be found on the dealer lots. At the time of order I was told 4-6 weeks for delivery. Also at the time of order, I was given by FORD a $500 cash rebate coupon as an incentive to buy, good until 10/01/2007. With the $500 incentive and the X pricing I was given, I was satisfied with the price. Problem is, Ford didn't deliver the vehicle in 4-6 weeks as promised, and as the 9th week passed so did my $500 incentive that ended on 10-1. FORD delayed delivery until the 11th week. In addition, on the date the $500 cash incentive expired (10-1), they announced another incentive effective 10-2 for a $1000 cash rebate with one catch----IT APPLIES TO 2008 ESCAPES BUT NOT 2008 ESCAPE HYBRIDS. Sooo, one may surmise that it's in Ford's interest to delay the delivery of ordered Hybrids (using whatever excuse they can come up with) until any outstanding incentives expire and don't follow it with another incentive, or if another is offered let it only apply to a different model.
Some consider this an out right scam. With the method they are using Ford could offer a $10,000 rebate on an ordered vehicle to get customers to buy, and then simply make certain they don't deliver the vehicle until after the incentive's expiration date!
In my particular case, for them to follow with a $1000 factory cash incentive on 2008 Escapes and not on 2008 Escape Hybrids is certainly demonstrating that it doesn't pay to buy the Hybrid version.-------Thus, "why it doesn't pay to go green".
#184 of 712 Re: FORD DEMONSTRATES WHY IT DOESN'T PAY TO GO GREEN [rnarg]
Oct 20, 2007 (5:14 am)
I would think that they wont give you a discount on the 2008 hybrid because they can't build them fast enough.They sell them easily with no incentives.The $500 discount was at a time when people were not buying the Escape hybrid.Things have changed.I remember when our local dealer had an Escape hybrid and it sat on their lot for at least a month before it was sold.Now you can't find one to test drive.
Oct 20, 2007 (1:37 pm)
I ordered a 2008 escape hybrid and when it came the sticker price was $1000 more than my order receipt stated. Good thing I had price protection as these hoodlums would have tried to charge me $1000 more than quoted. And that's on top of the $200 mid year price increase I had to pay.
Don't even get me started on the bait and switch hybrid tax credit - absolutely ridiculous.
#186 of 712 RE: Ford Demonstrates Why It Doesn't Pay To Go Green and #185 response.
Oct 20, 2007 (8:13 pm)
I agree with your assessment of supply and demand issues at the time, however my point is-----had Ford delivered my ordered vehicle during the time period they promised (4-6 weeks), I would not have lost my $500 cash incentive promised at the time of order. In other words, I got to pay a $500 penalty charge for FORD'S DELAY. This doesn't make sense to me, regardless of the supply and demand issues. The point is FORD gets rewarded for delaying delivery of the order.
Since Ford could use this tactic again and again at their discretion and regardless of supply and demand, it seems they may be exposing themselves to a conflict of interest charge.
#187 of 712 ABOVE STICKER PRICING ON FEH
Oct 21, 2007 (11:51 am)
A Ford dealership in Columbia, MD is telling me that there is such a demand for the FEH, that the last two have sold at 2500-5000 above sticker price. The salesman is telling me that they had to "BUY" the two they have on the lot from a dealership in California, plus pay transportation to get here. Has anyone heard of the FEH selling above sticker price? After the negotiating began, he was willing to come "down" to sticker price, but I walked away. I know they have to make a buck or 2, but I am very much against buying at sticker and I'm definitely not buying above sticker.
#188 of 712 RE: above sticker pricing on FEH
Oct 21, 2007 (4:31 pm)
In July 2007 the only 2008 I could find in the Northern VA area was at Koons Ford in Falls Church, VA, and they were asking a $3000 "market adjustment" I believe they called it.
About a week after my visit they contacted me with an offer to purchase at msrp sticker price.
If there are none around, the dealer is usually aware of it and they will take advantage of the situation with the dreaded "market adjustment". However, I found that if you are willing and able to wait you can still negotiate a reasonable price below MSRP on a special order of the exact vehicle with the options you desire.
Since there is currently a $1000 rebate available in most areas on the 2008 Escape NON HYBRIDS , you might consider purchasing a 4 cyl rather than the hybrid if you are only interested in MPG savings. Considering the $1000 rebate and the better price you can negotiate on the 4cyl and the fact that you can probably find a 4cyl gas powered presently on the dealers lot, it will take you quite some time to recover the $1000 rebate and the difference you must pay purchasing the hybrid vs one conventially powered.
Ford has this figured out, so in order to push the non hybrid Escapes they began offering the $1,000 cash incentive effective 10/02/07. (Don't forget the $2200 tax credit that you will be giving up and the possibility of giving up some HOV benefits if you go with the conventional gasoline powered model.
Also, there appears to be many Hybrids from different Manufacturers that will be entering the market soon. When that happens it will be interesting to watch what happens to Fords selective Escape rebate program and the Ford dealers "market adjustments"
#189 of 712 RE: above sticker pricing on FEH [rnarg]
Oct 22, 2007 (8:48 am)
So.....you got X-plan pricing and you still cannot calculate a payoff from owning the FEH? Do you think gas prices are going to go down over the next 5 to 8 years?....or however long you plan to own the vehicle. Sorry you were "late to the party" on the FEH.
I visited Koons Ford in FallsChurch to place an order for one of the first FEHs in the summer of 2004. At that time they wanted an $8000 premium on top of the sticker price.....the salesman was down to $4000 by the time I was walking out the door.
[This year I realized the first big Personal Property tax savings break - $0 tax on the first $20k assessed value - I own an '06 I bought in VA in '06] The savings are not always a much as advertised but they continue to come from unexpected places. (And oil is at almost $100/ barrel)
#190 of 712 Re: Great buying experience great deal on FEV [mwhitacre99]
Oct 22, 2007 (11:19 am)
Where is Fairside Ford??? I've lived in Ann Arbor for 40+ years and never heard of them.
Oct 22, 2007 (12:29 pm)
EZ to say after I took delivery. I ordered 7/23/07 with the understanding it would be 6 to 8 weeks. I emailed Ford at least 11 times, wanting my VIN, so I could track the progress. The customer relations has no way of talking to Ford and never offered any answers or help. I never even knew if the factory had my order. After about 8 weeks , my great salesman, Mike at Victor Ford in Wauconda, Illinois said the FEH would start being built about Oct. 1st. Of course, I lost my $500 rebate too.
Once they began building, Lucky (Mike) told me their finish date was about Oct. 19th. On the 16th, he called and it was in. I also tried to get the Illinois financing for a $1000 rebate. There are no banks near me, so I had to apply an hour away in Rockford. The bank turned me down, not knowing my situation, and I lost that rebate too. Ford approved us in 2 minutes and I took the 4.9% for 3 years.
I think if everyone figures 2 to 4 months for delivery and expect no rebates- you will then be happy- and anything better than that would be a small bonus. Gr8 car-still on first tank of gas. Good luck.
#192 of 712 Tribute Hybrid
Oct 23, 2007 (12:03 pm)
I just got quotes of between 23.1 and 23.9K for a bare bones Tribute Hybrid in the Bay Area. I believe that they are only being sold in CA. Has anyone compared them to the Escape Hybrid? Any major differences?