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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [dondilyon] by stevedebi
Feb 14, 2006 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: dondilyon (Feb 14, 2006 8:37 am)

"Thus, it would appear that you can purchase a qualifying car and take the credit even if you lease it out to someone else BUT you must be the owner of the car (not the lessee) to get the credit."
 
I don't see it that way; it appears to me that item (3) indicates that it is the taxpayer who is getting the lease:
 
The vehicle is acquired for use or lease by the taxpayer, and not
for resale.
 
I would consult a professional tax consultant on this one...
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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [stevedebi] by dondilyon
Feb 14, 2006 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 14, 2006 2:11 pm)

Item (3) does not stand by itself - you have to read it in context with the start of the sentence which states "The PURCHASER may claim a credit in the certified amount with respect to the vehicle if the following requirements are satisfied....(3) The vehicle is acquired for use or lease by the taxpayer, and not for resale" Thus, you have to be the PURCHASER of the car AND also satisy the items set forth in the IRS's guidance to take advantage of the credit. The IRS website has press releases and memos that clearly set forth what this provision means. There are also several sites with articles written by tax experts stating the same thing. If I get a chance, I'll post some links.
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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [stevedebi] by dondilyon
Feb 14, 2006 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 14, 2006 2:11 pm)

Here are some links that might be helpful to those of you wondering whether the 2006 hybrid vehicle tax credit applies to you;
1)http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=153172,00.html
This is the IRS's site and the above link goes to a recent press release.
2)http://taxes.about.com/od/deductionscredits/a/hybridtaxcredit.htm This article is written by William Perez, a tax professional who previously worked for the IRS and now works for a private CPA firm. He states in his article "There are three criteria to qualify for the hybrid tax credit:
1. Purchase a qualifying vehicle in 2006.
2. Purchase the vehicle new, not used.
3. The vehicle must be used for your own personal or business use. The vehicle should not be bought with the intention of re-selling it."
 
3)http://www.energytaxincentives.org/tiap-passenger-vehicles.html This is the Tax Incentives Assistance Project (TIAP) site. TIAP is a coalition of public interest nonprofit groups, government agencies, and other organizations in the energy efficiency field. In their FAQs section they state: " Who is eligible for the tax credits? Buyers and lessors of qualifying vehicles. For purchases by tax-exempt entities, however, it is the seller who is eligible for the tax credit. The benefit of the vehicle credit may be reduced or eliminated for taxpayers subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax; IRS will address this issue in future guidance."
 
It is, of course, important to confirm this information with your own tax advisor. AND - the IRS might change its mind before the end of 2006 to allow lessees of hybrid vehicles take advantage of the credit.
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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [dondilyon] by gagrice
Feb 14, 2006 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: dondilyon (Feb 14, 2006 4:09 pm)

I might add that if you keep the vehicle less than 3 years you may be subject to repaying some of the incentive. At least that was part of the former incentive.
 
If any of these conditions change within 3 years of purchase, you may have to return some of the money saved by the deduction.
 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_hybrid.shtml
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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [dondilyon] by stevedebi
Feb 15, 2006 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: dondilyon (Feb 14, 2006 3:02 pm)

"tem (3) does not stand by itself - you have to read it in context with the start of the sentence which states "The PURCHASER may claim a credit in the certified amount with respect to the vehicle if the following requirements are satisfied..."
 
I understand your argument, and I did read the entire context the first time. However, the taxpayer is the person applying for the tax credit, and the taxpayer has to be the leasee, so the only way I see it making sense is if it applies to both purchases and leases. It would make no sense to have the Purchaser someone other than the person filing the taxes (the taxpayer). Typical IRS poorly written guidelines. I stand by my interpretation, but I am not a tax professional.
 
Anyway, as I said earlier, check with your tax professional.
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Lexus says... by kyfdx HOST
Feb 15, 2006 (9:58 am)
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...on their website... that leasers can't take the credit.. Of course, they could be wrong...
 
Individual purchasers of a Lexus RX 400h ...
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Re: Lexus says... [kyfdx] by stevedebi
Feb 15, 2006 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 15, 2006 9:58 am)

"...on their website... that leasers can't take the credit.. Of course, they could be wrong... "
 
US Government DOE website says you can lease. Who knows?
 
http://www.energy.gov/taxbreaks.htm
 
"Individuals and businesses who buy or lease a new hybrid gas-electric car or truck are eligible for, and can receive, an income tax credit of $250-$3,400 – depending on the fuel economy and the weight of the vehicle. "
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Re: Lexus says... [stevedebi] by dondilyon
Feb 16, 2006 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 15, 2006 1:37 pm)

The first paragraph of that article states as follows: "The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPACT), signed by President Bush on August 8, 2005, offers consumers and businesses federal tax credits beginning in January 2006 for PURCHASING fuel-efficient hybrid-electric vehicles and energy-efficient appliances and products". As I've said before, if you purchase the car you can then lease it and the PURCHASER can take the credit. As you know, the Department of Energy is not the IRS. However, in an effort to correct any confusion for people who visit the DOE's site, I have sent an e-mail to the Secretary of the department advising him of the sentence you cited and asking that they review the IRS's guidance and issue a clearer statement of their position on this matter.
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Re: Lexus says... [dondilyon] by stevedebi
Feb 16, 2006 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: dondilyon (Feb 16, 2006 7:58 am)

Yup, the government is speaking out of both sides of it's mouth again - as usual...
 
However, I don't buy the "Purchase then lease"; I think that the original purchaser has to keep the vehicle. I realize that technically the leasing company owns the vehicle, so you may be correct.
 
I think my original idea (not mine alone) is the best - consult your tax professional...
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Re: Hybrid Tax Credit in '06 [stevedebi] by lexuslv
Feb 28, 2006 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 15, 2006 9:38 am)

Thanks to all for the additional info (and interpretations). I'm sufficiently confused. Will seek advice from a pro at tax time.

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