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I'm not sure, but I think the plural of 'skeet' is 'skeet' (kinda like the plural of 'moose'). 
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You'll never get rated efficiency in anything you drive be it diesel, hybrid, fuel cell or any other technology if you drive it to consume that energy. Period. You can't get around physics 101. What I like about the HAH concept is that you can drive it sensibly and learn how to drive for efficiency and get around its EPA numbers. But when you like alot of impressive power for quick bursts it's there for you. Someone posted: "You have to drive like a grandma to get close to the actual EPA. Most people are not interested in hypermiling." If -like a grand ma- means around a posted speed limit and driving sensibly then your statement is correct. My HCH is certainly not a performance car but gets EPA if driven with common (or uncommon) sense. From what I hear you don't have to hyper mile in a HAH for great results, but I'd sure like to see the figures from people who do. What is a performance vehicle anyway? I'd say this is subject to personal interpretation. I'm used to my HCH so a HAH would be performance in my case. Some here have pointed out other requirements. People may require mirrors of NASCAR, while others might have Indy 500 in mind. |
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"You'll never get rated efficiency in anything you drive be it diesel, hybrid, fuel cell or any other technology if you drive it to consume that energy. Period. You can't get around physics 101." The rules of physics 101 dictates that weight provides more friction during motion! In general. turbodiesels handle better than hybrids! The law of physics boils this down to weight. What I like about the HAH concept is that you can drive it sensibly and learn how to drive for efficiency and get around its EPA numbers. I agree fully with your statement. A hybrid is meant for sensible driving! Performance defeats its main purpose which is fuel efficiency! Hybrids show there strengths during sensible city driving.Turbo-diesels strengths are evident during perforance/highway driving! That is why I believe turbo diesels are superior to hybids in terms of fuel efficient performance/handling.
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Replying to: dewey (May 06, 2005 5:34 am) Is this now a diesel vs hybrid thread or are you referring to a hybrid diesel? I don't know of any hybrid diesels but I do know of the HAH, which is built for improved performance. If there was a hybrid diesel I'd bet you wouldn't get near the EPA if you drove it to consume its fuel, no matter what the weight. That was my earlier point. Drive it "for performance" much of the time and never see great economy. |
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I was referring to diesel! I cant argue for hybrid diesels because very few are on the road( if any?) |
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I'm still trying to avoid a hybrid vs diesel debate in this thread. Let's take it to another thread. "Performance defeats its main purpose which is fuel efficiency!" No, it doesn't. If a particular model of a car line can deliver a certain economy, and it's hybrid sibling can deliver better economy and faster acceleration which has better performance? |
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"If a particular model of a car line can deliver a certain economy, and it's hybrid sibling can deliver better economy and faster acceleration which has better performance?" My point is not to have a diesel vs. hybrid argument, but to argue that the complexity and expense of hybrid technology as it is today is not the most effective means to improve fuel efficient performance. Turbodiesels are far more effective! When hybrid technology improves and becomes lighter, then my turbodiesel argument may no longer hold as much weight. |
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Folks, hybrid vs diesel seems to be a HIGHLY toxic subject and is something that has caused headaches recently on this forum. And since THIS discussion is about debating the plausibility of a hybrid "performance" vehicle, let's keep that particular argument out of the equation! Thanks!
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Replying to: gagrice (May 05, 2005 11:12 am) I agree. I think a large part of the Prius popularity is its unique styling. You look at it and immediately notice it's "different". I think a lot of people are paying the "hybrid premium" on the Prius to get that uniqueness as much (or more) than for it's other benefits. How better to demonstrate your "greeness"? The rest of the hybrid crop, however, are designed NOT to stand out. It's very difficult to tell them apart from the non-hyrid versions. At this point with the technology still being so expensive, they should be providing more stand-out styling to get people to pay the premium. Otherwise, people won't pay it. Call it shallow, but style is a big reason why people pick one car over another. |
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Replying to: pf_flyer (May 06, 2005 7:46 am) I did not no about the high toxicity levels of diesel vs. hybrid debates! I will abide by the rules. |
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