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Can hybrids be "performance" vehicles?

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#71 of 80 dewey by rorr May 10, 2005 (7:11 am)
I think that what cdptrap is referring to is that at peak acceleration in a hybrid, 100% of the ICE output is going into moving the vehicle PLUS the batteries are being depleted as the electric motor has kicked in. If you KEEP your foot in it (not allowing some of the engine output to go back into recharging the batteries), then the batteries can be depleted over time.   I would imagine this event to be relatively rare due to the overall capacity of the batteries and the fact that we rarely drive at WOT for extended periods of time (although the issue was a concern for C&D when they were attempting to set a speed record for Hybrids at Bonneville using a Prius).
#72 of 80 dewey by pf_flyer HOST May 10, 2005 (7:36 am)
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#73 of 80 Re: True [dewey] - Did you mean GO-KART ? by midnightcowboy Jun 13, 2005 (9:40 am)
Replying to: dewey (May 06, 2005 10:45 am) Dewey said :   "Correct but what do I mean by performance?    Low level of body roll Firm ride Sharp steering How it Corners RWD A musical growl with acceleration(like a BMW growl) "   You have just descitbed a GO-KART!   Thee are so many goals for a Hybrid. Most aren't driven towards perfromance, so the Hybrids bigots try to redefine what performance really is   YMMV cruis'n in 6th and manualy happy! ,   MidCow
#74 of 80 Re: Hybrid and Performance [dewey] by midnightcowboy Jun 13, 2005 (9:49 am)
Replying to: dewey (May 06, 2005 4:05 pm) Dewey said:   "Heavier weight causes more friction for motion! "   You are kind-of sort-of on the right track.   Netwon's Law's of Motion:   Newton's second law of motion explains how an object will change velocity if it is pushed or pulled upon.   Firstly, this law states that if you do place a force on an object, it will accelerate, i.e., change its velocity, and it will change its velocity in the direction of the force.   Secondly, this acceleration is directly proportional to the force. For example, if you are pushing on an object, causing it to accelerate, and then you push, say, three times harder, the acceleration will be three times greater.   Thirdly, this acceleration is inversely proportional to the mass of the object. For example, if you are pushing equally on two objects, and one of the objects has five times more mass than the other, it will accelerate at one fifth the acceleration of the other.   Actually it is the mass rather than friction that couses the acceleration slowness.   Cheers,   MidCow Replies to this message: dewey (Jun 13, 2005 10:49 am) midnightcowboy (Jun 13, 2005 1:26 pm)
#75 of 80 Re: Hybrid and Performance [midnightcowboy] by dewey Jun 13, 2005 (10:49 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jun 13, 2005 9:49 am) Thanks for the clarification:   Now how about I rephrase my prior statement to the following :   It is the added mass of weight from a bulky battery , an additonal electrical motor and hybrid components that will cause a hybrid's acceleration to be slower than an equivalent car that is powered solely by an internal combustion engine. And let us not forget how added mass can negatively affect the handling dynamics of any vehicle.   How's that for a Newtonian interpretation of hybrid performance? Replies to this message: midnightcowboy (Jun 13, 2005 1:26 pm)
#76 of 80 Re: Hybrid and Performance [dewey] by midnightcowboy Jun 13, 2005 (1:26 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Jun 13, 2005 10:49 am) Right on!
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#78 of 80 Now with more miles under the wheels... by pf_flyer HOST Mar 12, 2009 (10:46 am)
It was suggested to me that it might be a good time to look at this question again, so the discussion has returned.   Now, in 2009, can a hybrid be a performance vehicle? Replies to this message: michaeldoherty (Mar 12, 2009 11:26 am)
#79 of 80 Re: Now with more miles under the wheels... [pf_flyer] by michaeldoherty Mar 12, 2009 (11:26 am)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 12, 2009 10:46 am) Absolutely. Just don't expect to sell many. They would have to be luxury vehicles to make a profit. Otherwise, you just end up with the Accord hybrid.   Actually, you might put most hybrids into this category (depending on how loos you want to make the definition of performance).
#80 of 80 Performance hybrid by wwu_vri Mar 12, 2009 (6:08 pm)
What about a hybrid that is projected to get 100+mpg highway, 125mph top speed, 0-60 in 8.1sec, the size and handling of a Miata, and requires no plug in. However it will not be cheap.   Is there a market for this type of car? Can this break the idea that performance and hybrids dont mix?

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