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Re: Read my posts completely please, merc1 [ikramerica] by stroudman
Apr 22, 2005 (10:44 am)

Replying to: ikramerica (Apr 22, 2005 9:32 am)

perhaps one of the reasons to make the "luxury" distinction is that the exhaust on the "sport" version is tuned differently and has a louder note. The luxury minded folks might not want to listen to it as much. The steering and suspension are also a little tighter.
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Re: Read my posts completely please, merc1 [ikramerica] by merc1
Apr 23, 2005 (3:18 pm)

Replying to: ikramerica (Apr 22, 2005 9:32 am)

Sorry If I misquoted you, but we'll just have to wait and see. Personally I don't think there will be any change to the way they've been seperating the two, but again we'll just have to see. No big deal either way.
 
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#10 of 17
2006 C-Class by jchan2
Apr 23, 2005 (6:55 pm)
Are they redesigning it, or is this just a mild refreshing?
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Re: 2006 C-Class [jchan2] by merc1
Apr 24, 2005 (9:46 pm)

Replying to: jchan2 (Apr 23, 2005 6:55 pm)

Actually its just a engine swap for 2006. The refresh was done for 2005, new dash, seats, lights, wheels, bumpers, gauges(!) etc.
 
The re-design will be for the 2008 model year in the U.S.
 
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minor changes by ikramerica
Apr 27, 2005 (4:07 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Apr 24, 2005 9:46 pm)

the audio system will likely be able to use the new iPod adapter that the MClass has rather than waiting for the retrofit version for 2005s (if I understand it correctly).
 
Also, like just about every year it seems, there will probably be new wheels.
 
Other than that, no changes but engines that I know of.
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CORRECTION: C230!!! by ikramerica
Apr 29, 2005 (4:18 pm)

Replying to: ikramerica (Apr 27, 2005 4:07 pm)

Well, the C230 is getting a V6 after all. The salesman was looking at outdated information.
 
Here are the specs on all three engines:
 
C230 - 2496cc V6 - 201hp6200rpm - 181lbft2700-5000rpm (vs. 189hp5800/192lbft3500-4000)
 
C280 - 2996cc V6 - 228hp6000rpm - 221lbft2700-5000rpm (vs. 168hp5700/177lbft4700)
 
C350 - 3498cc V6 - 268hp6000rpm - 258lbft2400-5000rpm (vs. 215hp5700/229lbft4700)
 
Why they just didn't call them C250,C300, and C350, considering none of those have been used before AFAIK, well only MB knows that.
 
Also notice the C280 should be roughly comparable to the old C320, with slightly more HP, and slightly less torque but at a broader range.
 
As for the C230 2.5, we'll see if it is better than the C230 1.8. It has more HP and less torque, but the HP comes at higher RPMs and the torque is only over a slightly broader range.
 
My C230 2.3 still is superior IMHO, with 200lbft of torque and 192hp, and even then, I boosted output with a pulley kit.
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Re: CORRECTION: C230!!! [ikramerica] by delfonic
May 03, 2005 (4:51 am)

Replying to: ikramerica (Apr 29, 2005 4:18 pm)

I'm a few days away from purchasing what I'm now confirming, thanks to you, to be the last of the 1.8 C230 Sedans......what effect have engine changes at MB typically had on the resale value in year one after a change? How about five years down the road? Will this thing still depreciate about $19k by then, or am I looking at something more dramatic, like $23-25? It's actually kind of MB to leave the same badge and appearance, in lue of rebadging as a C250 as to not totally make the 05's undesireable less than a year after they were introduced.
 
The V6 is simply a marketing ploy, esp. with that power curve...ever since we emerged from the oil-crisis cars of the 80s and early 90s (i.e. V8's with 180 HP and 4-cyl standard in just about everything) and as technology has improved, power is at a premium. A V6, with the same apparent performance, is more attractive to the masses than a supercharged, "wimpy" I4.
 
One last question....does the pully kit void the warranty?
 
Thanks....Cheers!
#15 of 17
It should not void... by ikramerica
May 03, 2005 (2:24 pm)

Replying to: delfonic (May 03, 2005 4:51 am)

As long as your pulley kit does not damage the engine directly, it can't void the warranty. This is part of federal law, though many car companies try to convince you otherwise. Nor must you only use manufacturer approved parts nor install at a dealer, etc.
 
That said, my car is the 2.3l 230k, not the newer 1.8l. It had more headroom, so getting more power was easier. Your car has a higher power kompressor, so the pulley kits involved are more expensive, IIRC. Mine was a Kleeman pully modifier. Didn't add a new pulley, just added diameter to the existing one to increase the ratio, and replaced the belt with a longer one to compensate. Kleeman no longer offers this option, AFAIK.
 
As for depreciation, you have a few things working against you, and a few for you. Against: old engine, high volume car, end of model year. For: 05 has newer body and suspension, 230 is already discounted C class compared to overpriced 320/350, so depreciation is less dramatic in real dollars. Just don't overload it with options if you care about depreciation. Or just load it up, drive the heck out of it, and enjoy.
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Re: CORRECTION: C230!!! [ikramerica] by drum
Dec 01, 2005 (8:31 am)

Replying to: ikramerica (Apr 29, 2005 4:18 pm)

Regarding the 2006 C280...I have been having a problem with the new 7 speed automatic transmission...it revs or slips between the first and second shifts...the dealer tried a software update without good results...anyone else note this problem?
#17 of 17
Re: CORRECTION: C230!!! [drum] by kirstie_h HOST
Dec 02, 2005 (6:36 am)

Replying to: drum (Dec 01, 2005 8:31 am)

You'll probably have better luck in the Mercedes-Benz C350 & C280 discussion.

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