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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan

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#8961 of 12297 Re: Feh [plekto] by kdhspyder

Nov 18, 2006 (10:28 am)

Replying to: plekto (Nov 18, 2006 10:06 am)
.... Now, true, the Camry is selling mostly on autopilot, you disparage the American consumer. That's a horrible mistake.
 
... but they are having problems with them. Sludge in the engines, are you still living in 1999? This was two generations ago..give it up it doesn't exist any longer.
 
transmissions that cost $3000-$3500 to fix, What are you talking about? This is the strongest part of any Toyota and with a 5/60 warranty it's rarely an issue. Provide some data and a reliable source for any signicant problems.
 
and of course, no financing deals at all. OK that makes sense. It's a brand new vehicle and it's setting records in sales. Why should there be financing deals at this time?
 
Your pricing analysis is accurate. And I understand your frustration that many, many, many buyers opt for the more expensive Camry XLE V6 over say a LaCrosse. But it's their money to do with as they wish. Can you imagine that some people even spend $70,000 to purchase wheels...sheesh.
 
(1)GM is scoring well in initial quality. (2)And their engines and transmissions are about half the cost to repair compared to the Toyota, so it's a clear win here as well - but only if you bother to look at where the money is going in the long-term.
 
Statement (1) is correct. Statement (2) is false or unverifiable. Do you have significant amounts of data on the new 2007 Toyota engines to support this claim?

#8962 of 12297 Transmission woes by imidazol97

Nov 18, 2006 (10:43 am)

d>Statement (1) is correct. Statement (2) is false or unverifiable. Do you have significant amounts of data on the new 2007 Toyota engines to support this claim?
 
Camry woes
 
Read all about the toyota Lexus, toyota Avalon, and Toyota Camry trans problems. It's strange Toyota put a rep, TMUSA, on the group to handle PR as quickly as possible to spin the problems and the handling of the problems. Did they just do that for the pure good-heartedness of wanting to publicize the problem? No, they were trying to short circuit information getting out!

#8963 of 12297 Re: Feh [plekto] by kdshapiro

Nov 18, 2006 (11:10 am)

Replying to: plekto (Nov 18, 2006 10:06 am)
Wait! I wouldn't buy a GM because of financing. You'll be making the savings in repairs after the warranty. Where with a Toyota the car will probably need little over the course of it's lifetime.

#8964 of 12297 Re: Feh [plekto] by batista

Nov 18, 2006 (11:15 am)

Replying to: plekto (Nov 18, 2006 10:06 am)
GM is scoring well in initial quality. And their engines and transmissions are about half the cost to repair compared to the Toyota, so it's a clear win here as well - but only if you bother to look at where the money is going in the long-term. --Whatever!
 
Not true at all. The 4T65 transmission in my GM car failed at 35K miles and that's with me taking good care of it with a transmission flush & filter change 25K miles.
The dealership recommend a remanufactured transmision at a cost of $3600. They told me they could repair it but it would comeback eventually.
I read in the Lemon Aid book that the Midsize GM vehicles have an issue with premature transmission failure.
GM is going down. They keep making the same product but they can't perfect it. Same with their workhorse 3800.
Intake manifold problems from 1998-2005. GM can't solve their problems with the 3.1L V6, 3.4L V6 and 3.8L V6.
At 10K miles I started loosing coolant so they replaced the intake gasket and added sawdust into the coolant mix so that it would stop leaking.
I won't touch a GM car again. I had $1500 worth of GM Visa points but threw it out and decided to go with Chrysler.

#8965 of 12297 Re: Transmission woes [imidazol97] by kdshapiro

Nov 18, 2006 (11:16 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 18, 2006 10:43 am)
"Read all about the toyota Lexus, toyota Avalon, and Toyota Camry trans problems. It's strange Toyota put a rep, TMUSA, on the group to handle PR as quickly as possible to spin the problems and the handling of the problems."
 
I would think you would know better than to judge the problems a car has by the posts on a particular forum. BMW, Subaru, Infiniti (I believe) that I know of, and there may be more, all have had representation on Edmunds and other boards. What conclusion can you draw from this? Nothing. All brands have had issues, not one has been immune and some more than others have issues. Toyota is not one of them. Believe me, they are lucky that people on autopilot just buy their cars. I want to develop a business model like that. Oh wait, GM/Ford already tried that, and they tripped over their shoelaces.

#8966 of 12297 Re: Transmission woes [imidazol97] by kdhspyder

Nov 18, 2006 (11:50 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 18, 2006 10:43 am)
I'm aware of this thread.. and some people do have issues with the performance that's for certain. But as you can see by the activity of the thread it seems to be dying out as the sales of this new model approach 400,000 units.
 
It's an issue that seems to be dissolving away in the same way the initial issues with the Avalon did. captain2?
 
OTOH my statement in reply to plekto's blanket generalization (2) is ..what costs? All the 2007 transmissions that were fixed/adjusted cost the owners...........NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, $0.00!!
 
Prior Gen models of the Camry have been noteworthy for their dependability and reliability as was be expected? There are no complaints of any major significance in these past models.
 
So again. What costs?

#8967 of 12297 Re: Midsize Import Sedans Comparison Thread [jrock65] by flash11

Nov 18, 2006 (11:54 am)

Replying to: jrock65 (Apr 19, 2005 10:25 pm)
We have been shopping around and we are completely stumped as to what to go with. We thought we would ask the experts their opinions.
What are the best midsize sportiest sedans in the world in the $30K to $40K range ? No holds barred North American, European and Japanese, any make or model in the world (sold in the US). They must be fully loaded midsized (not full sized please) sedans with an engine that will make the car go like a 'bat outta hell'.
 
Format Make, model, price, comment if you wish.
example: 2007 BMW, 328xi (hopefully comes in a 4 door, we have a child), $39K MSRP, why I like it-300 hp.,4 year/50K mile bumper to bumper warantee, good buy for the money.
 
You opinions are greatly appreciated.

#8968 of 12297 Re: Transmission woes [imidazol97] by kdhspyder

Nov 18, 2006 (12:03 pm)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 18, 2006 10:43 am)
It's strange Toyota put a rep, TMUSA, on the group to handle PR as quickly as possible to spin the problems and the handling of the problems.
 
Strange? I guess one might think so from a domestic pov. But it sounds like a smart move to get a direct representative in the mix to hear out the specific woes and report them directly back to Management. Those few clients with the snap-ring issue apparently greatly appreciated the immediate response and reaction. If the various TSB's that have since been issued do ameliorate the problems then having someone jump right on the problem was certainly the correct move. Maybe the detroiters should take note and use this as a case study ( and the similar Honda tranny situation ) on how to handle a difficult situation and keep clients in the family.

#8969 of 12297 Re: Heh [w9cw] by kdhspyder

Nov 18, 2006 (12:10 pm)

Replying to: w9cw (Nov 18, 2006 6:37 am)
I wouldn't say either the Camry or Prius are "flying off the lot," this is simply not true at this dealer. In fact, I've never seen so many brand new Prius at one dealer at a given time - over 15 in stock at the moment
 
November is the 'restocking' month before Toyotathon begins on about Dec 10th. December, especially the last 7 days is normally the third/fourth largest month of the year.
 
Toyota announced a couple of months ago that it was doubling production/shipments of the Prius over the last two years of this Gen's life.

#8970 of 12297 Re: Midsize Import Sedans Comparison Thread [flash11] by jimmy81

Nov 18, 2006 (12:11 pm)

Replying to: flash11 (Nov 18, 2006 11:54 am)
What are the best midsize sportiest sedans in the world in the $30K to $40K range ?
 
Try the entry level luxury sports sedans thread.
 
There they compare the TL, G35, IS, CTS, 328 and others.

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