Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#8270 of 12297 I voted with my wallet...
Nov 01, 2006 (10:31 am)
Bought a Sonata V6 GLS about 4 months ago. Let me sum up by saying that it's the only vehicle (trucks, cars,suvs, etc.)I've ever owned, where had I had paid full MSRP ($22492 delivered), I would have felt I had gotten my money's worth and more. My actual cash price, after rebates and dealer discount, plus only sales tax and license was $17,240. I re-visited Honda Accord, Buick LaCrosse, Camry and several other vehicles before even considering a Hyundai. Until recently, I would rather have had my pastor see me coming out of an adult bookstore, than to be seen coming out of a Hyundai dealership. When I invest in the stock market I try to buy stocks in which others have not yet seen the value--unquestionably that's why I ended up with such a good price on a very high-quality vehicle. My recent vehicles were a 2001 Intrigue (bad issues with the ISS, very poor cooperation from GM) and then a Buick Regal w/ touring pkg (with $1500 coupon from Olds, dealer discounts and rebates I ended up paying $21000 and change for the Regal--MSRP was 29,850).
Only one minor issue, that with "kathump" from rear suspension over a certain kind of road at low speeds. Called the dealership, they were aware of problem, ordered the parts (new shocks and brackets), had car in yesterday for fix, no more "kathump"...in fact no noises at all. Seating is very comfortable (cloth upholstery). Mpls-Chicago (about 950 round trip), no fatigue at all, averaged 29.6 w/ cruise set 73mph and occasional spurts up to 85-90 just to see how it handled. (Mileage computer and gallons into miles hand calculation agreed spot on...)
Generally, after 2-3 months with a car, I start looking forward to my next car--it's already been 4 months with my Sonata and the thought of a new car hasn't crossed my mind once.
I'm also amazed at the Edmunds' estimated total per mile operating cost, including depreciation, etc. Right within a penny or two per mile of the best...
#8271 of 12297 Re: Accord vs. Mazda6 [jeffyscott]
Nov 01, 2006 (10:41 am)
the back seat is too tight for my taste
Oh, my apologies. I totally read your post wrong.
I thought you meant C&D, not CR. C&D did a comparison earlier this year between the Mazdaspeed6 and Accord, among others.
In any case, the 3 feet number comes from C&D's 70-0 testing (you know, those folks that ONLY test cars) of the Mazda6s and Accord.
#8272 of 12297 Re: Accord vs. Mazda6 [jeffyscott]
Nov 01, 2006 (10:44 am)
Not by everyone.
riiiggt ... which is why i didn't say "welcome by everyone"
is there any opinion you WON'T try to argue with?
#8273 of 12297 Re: Accord vs. Mazda6 [meateater]
Nov 01, 2006 (10:57 am)
if you mean put a honda v-6 engine in it, I'm thinking you mean a more powerful engine in the 6. If that's the goal, there's always the mazdaspeed whose turbo'd engine was rated one of the 10 best engine's this year. personally if mazda were to put in a accord quality interior in there, that would be amazing. looking at the cx-7 interior, looks like mazda getting their game up on interior design, so my hopes are up for the next generation 6.
but with honda coming out with clean burning diesles in the next couple years (with presumably good low end torque and great gas mileage), that could be another option worthy of consideration. I still think that honda's manual tranny is the best in the industry in this class, so that could be a potent mix. I saw some pics of the next generation accord at the australian auto show (same concept they showed at the tokyo auto show) and it looks pretty interesting. much bolder than the car they have now (which isn't saying a lot...). I heard it may be the euro accord though...but I hope we see it in the states!
#8274 of 12297 Re: Accord vs. Mazda6 [2zmax]
Nov 01, 2006 (11:11 am)
there are 2 versions of the 2GR engine - the 2GR-FE found in the Avalon, Camry, RAV4, Lexus ES etc., and the 2GR-FSE exclusive currently to the IS, GS and and LS hybrid. The difference being an extra set of direct fuel injectors, 2 per cylinder as opposed to one. Additionally both 2GRs have continuously variable valve timings on both intake and exhaust. HP/Torque ratings between the Camry/Altima are so close as to be inconsequential as is any difference in acceleration times in the actual cars - the Toyota will, however, do better (2-3 mpg) on a gallon of gas, the result of a transmission 'programmed' more for FE than the more traditional Nissan transmission. Would suggest to you that the VQ may 'feel' stronger simply because there is more torque steer there to 'fight'. The 2GR, AFAIK, has been rock solid in all respects, the way in which transmission works the subject of much discussion. The VQ, well it may be getting a little long in tooth, but it remains a standard by which all V6s should be judged including Toyotas and Hondas.
#8275 of 12297 Re: 2007 CR Best Buys [ergsum]
Nov 01, 2006 (11:12 am)
Consumers Digest and Consumer Reports are two different organizations.
#8276 of 12297 Re: Accord vs. Mazda6 [qbrozen]
Nov 01, 2006 (11:17 am)
Oh get over it already, that is not "arguing" anything. I am just presenting an alternate opinion to yours. Not everyone feels bigger is better...as your use of "always" implied.
Perhaps you should have said "more room is always welcome by me", if you are going to be so concerned about anyone presenting an alternate view.
#8277 of 12297 Re: I voted with my wallet... [formersuver1]
Nov 01, 2006 (11:23 am)
Good for you.....but considering you're coming out of American models, your enthusiasm is understandable.
#8278 of 12297 Re: 2007 CR Best Buys [backy]
Nov 01, 2006 (11:33 am)
Sorry, typed "R" instead of "D".
#8279 of 12297 Hyundai Sonata Sport Model
Nov 01, 2006 (11:39 am)
I think this car looks quite good...
Put in a decent 6-speed manual and black leather/metal interior accents, firm up the shocks and sharpen the steering (well, sharpen the steering in ALL of them) and price it $1,000 higher than the current top model (Limited now?)
It's still a concept, but a Sonata Sport would be cool...
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