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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#7852 of 12297 Need Car Purchase Advise
Oct 20, 2006 (7:12 am)
I'm looking to purchase my first new car, I recently graduated from college and safety in a car is my top priority. Living in the northeast,my number one choice is the 2007 Subaru Legacy because it has all-wheel drive. It however doesn't have stability control.
Can someone please explain to me the pros/cons of not having stability control. I would assume that a car with all-wheel drive wouldn't need stability control.
Also, is the Audi A4 quattro, which has stability control a "safer" car in the snow than the suburu Legacy?
Thanks a bunch,
#7853 of 12297 Re: Hyundai Azera versus Hyuandai Sonota [christy7]
Oct 20, 2006 (7:18 am)
But, for those of you who are familiar with both vehicles, if I were to compare a fully loaded, top of the line Sonata (leather, 6CD changer, etc.) what is the primary difference in that versus the Azera?
You already have some idea, and some good input from the forum. So I'll give you my driving impressions.
I could not notice any advantages to the base model Azera over the loaded Sonata. Ride, comfort, noise, power, trunk, interior, were all too similar to pay $4K extra for the Azera. The only thing that made me smile was the extra back seat room in the Azera. But, since adults rarely ride back there, it was not a factor for me.
It's a personal thing, so drive both. Have the passenger stretch out, look around, and feel the space, feel the ride, and listen to the road noise. I just don't see a significant difference.
The loaded Azera does have a significantly nicer interior and a few features that you may find worth paying for. It just depends on how much the extras are worth to you.
I think you guys will be delighted with either car. Good luck with your decision.
#7854 of 12297 Re: UH - OH [elroy5]
Oct 20, 2006 (7:43 am)
"Oh, so this means they will only lay off 5,000 workers this year, instead of 10,000."
This is all part of Ford adjusting to market share/demand. As much as I hate to see Americans loose thier jobs, its necessary for Ford to survive in North America. This will make Ford leaner, meaner and more profitable in the long run. This will also allow Ford to bring product to market faster and make necessary changes quicker to new vehicles that are introduced.
"And you can bet they are counting on people like you to buy them. People like me will not buy a car just because it's "American". The only good parts of the Fusion come from Mazda anyway.
I guess you are saying I didn't shop the market? and just walked into a Ford dealership only? I did shop, for 4 months I shopped and test drove. I drove the Accord/Camry/Sonata/Altima/Malibu/G6/Jetta/Passat/Legacy. I didn't feel it necessary to pay the extra $2-$4,000 dollars for an Accord/Camry for the perceived reliabiltiy advantage. And after owning 3 other Ford products over the last 15 years that gave me excellent reliability gave me even more reason not to pay the extra $$. And now with just over 6,000 miles on my Fusion with no issues.. I know I made the right choice. In fact.. the money I didn't spend on the Camry/Accord.. I'm going to Maui!!
#7855 of 12297 Re: Ford and GM [lweiss]
Oct 20, 2006 (7:50 am)
"Not that the Fusion is a bad car (or any other of Ford, GM, or D-C sedans), they just don't get much consideration around here, probably related to image (and heck, snobbery too!)."
Much of what Ford/GM have to overcome is the "image" card. The media has beat into the publics head so much over the last 10-15 years that Ford/GM cannot and will never build a great vehicle that there are people out there that won't even walk into a Ford/GM dealership to even look or test drive. For those who do look at data, and are willing to shop with open minds will find that Ford/GM do build great vehicles with great value.
#7856 of 12297 Re: Need Car Purchase Advise [uconnhusky]
Oct 20, 2006 (8:10 am)
The most important factor is the driver, the second most important is the tires, and I would say powertrain is the 3rd. You can learn a little bit more about stability control here
The thing to remember is the stability control only has the same envelope of traction the driver does. If you are skidding on ice, its not going to be able to help very much either.
Depending on which models you are looking at, the Legacy is considerably bigger than the A4 and the non-turbo Legacy doesn't require premium fuel like the Audi does. Its also considerably less. You might also look at the VW Passat 4motion and the BMW 325xi if you like premium German vehicles.
#7857 of 12297 Re: Ford and GM [scape2]
Oct 20, 2006 (10:38 am)
You talk as if the Media is the biggest problem that Ford/GM have had over hte past few years. Gotta be kiddin' and I am sure you know it.
#7858 of 12297 Re: UH - OH [scape2]
Oct 20, 2006 (10:59 am)
I apologize in advance, because I'm the last one to cry Wolf, or be construed as a spelling/grammatical Nazi, but since I see this all of the time here on Edmunds.com:
loose = not tight
lose = to not win, or fail to keep or maintain
#7859 of 12297 Re: Ford and GM [scape2]
Oct 20, 2006 (12:16 pm)
The 'image' I have with Ford involves things like smelling coolant constantly when I got out of the car (even after having the cars checked up and down for leaks), slipping transmissions (enough where my wife wouldn't drive it at all), poor resale value, breaking low-budget interior pieces (even in a Taurus - their achievement), etc etc.
I don't need the media, or anybody, to tell me that I should have bought a Honda or a Toyota. Never another Ford.
I'll bet I'm not the only one with these experiences with Ford.
#7860 of 12297 Re: UH - OH [w9cw]
Oct 20, 2006 (12:17 pm)
construed as a spelling/grammatical Nazi
Your absolootely write.
#7861 of 12297 Re: Ford and GM [leadfoot6]
Oct 20, 2006 (1:11 pm)
I'll bet I'm not the only one with these experiences with Ford.
Pretty safe bet. After pumping money into a Contour for a few years, and then selling it for a fraction of what I expected, I was glad to finally put the whole Ford debacle behind me.
God bless em, but I'll never buy another Ford either.