Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#764 of 12297 That's one of Nissan's biggest problems, rgyip
Aug 09, 2005 (6:09 pm)
They make just about everything optional on their cars and it seriously drives up the pricing. On top of that, the new interior, while MUCH better than before, still isn't as good as the Accord or Camry. Back in April of 2001, Ghosn promised that the Altima's interior would be on VW Passat levels. It hasn't reached them yet.
In my area, there are some Nissan Altima 2.5S models that run over $24K, and that's WITHOUT the SL pkg. Nissan is notorious for adding accessories to their cars during the last couple of model years. Things like accessory chrome wheels, sunroof visor and splash guards drive pricing up.
And it's almost impossible to find an Altima four cylinder with ABS. Nissan makes some 2.5SL models with Navigation but NO ABS.
So I'm hoping that with this redesign, Nissan pulls a Hyundai on us. Make ABS, Trac, SAB, SAC and other items standard, while giving the car progessive styling. Keep the base prices the same, but add equipment.
If Nissan can do the above, bring up quality of materials and workmanship, while at the same time releasing the Coupe verison that is rumored. I could see the Altima selling as well as the current Accord and Camry.
Right now, sales aren't really that far behind the current Accord at all. I expect them to get even better with the redesign.
#765 of 12297 Re: The base price of the V6 Passat looks good [maxamillion1]
Aug 09, 2005 (6:11 pm)
Volkswagon lost my trust years ago, when i purchased a Jetta. I will never EVER buy a VW again.
And from what i've seen (JD power) Volkswagon is near the bottom in their vehicle dependability study and is suprisingly near the bottom in the initial quality study.
#766 of 12297 Can't say I blame ya ctalk...
Aug 09, 2005 (6:19 pm)
But there is just something about the way VWs look and they way they drive that gives them a much more upscale feeling.
As I stated earlier, I seriously considered the Passat before getting the Altima. But college is an hour and a half away from home and I'd need that car to be dependable for at least 8 years (I'm getting my doctorate), so it was dropped.
Hopefully VW has gotten its act together this time around. The cars are beautiful though. Even the new Jetta has grown on me lately.
The 2.0t would be much better value if it didn't lack many of the creature comforts folks have come to expect for this class of cars. Pricing is in line with V6 Accord, Camrys and Altimas, but the lack of power front seats, and automatic climate control dropped it from my list.
#769 of 12297 Re: gmc truck [gmctruck]
Aug 09, 2005 (7:27 pm)
Right, my point being that its NOT REAL SAFE (your own words). Also, that you have one friend who did it once.... doesnt really represent a significant slice of the market.....
Max- I may be wrong, but I can only recall that the Altima saw heavy incentives (meaning the $1500 rebate currently available in the NE region) as the 2004s were being cleared off the lots. The 2005s originally didnt carry the rebate (logically), but after about 3 months, they picked up with the rebates of the 2004s that were being cleared (and presumably were).
Also, I must say that I highly doubt the next gen Altima is going to debut around the same time as the new Camry (ETA: Mar 06). I recall reading that the Sentra was going to debut around that time, with the Altima redesign subsequent to that. Again, I may be incorrect, but Nissans been cranking out vehicles over the last few years and Id be shocked if they had the resources to launch a new Altima in just 8 months from now. (Or maybe they will and it will have all the quality control of the Quest and Armada when they were first introduced......)
Nothing is impossible, I suppose.
Also, it is interesting to note that only GM, Honda, and Toyota are beginning to publish "SAE certified" horsepower and torque ratings. I'd be interested to see what the 2.5L (as well as the many variants of the VQ) produces under the new calculation..................
#770 of 12297 Just got back from my trip to MA.
Aug 09, 2005 (7:30 pm)
No purchase to report.
I looked at 4 different dealers in RI and MA. They all are slow to catch up with
the price-cutting trend. Some of them still had considerable numbers of 04
Sonatas to get rid of. Not too eager to make a sell. Especially the LX for some
reason. A lot of GLs are near or at invoice price though. Kinda strange I thought.
I'm going to give it another month or so.
#771 of 12297 Re: VW [choe13]
Aug 09, 2005 (7:30 pm)
Yea, hes such a huge Honda/Acura fan that he bought an Altima. Screams blind brand loyalty to me, LOL.
And why would he care to compare a TL-S (which hasnt been made since the '03 model year) to a $40K '06 Passat?
Just curious.. have you driven the new Passat?
Aug 09, 2005 (8:05 pm)
i have driven the 05 passat which my uncle has, and its a truly nice car. I liked it better than the TL even the current generation.
So my guess is the 06 will be a stunner.
its called educated guess
and lastly if u haven't noticed, maxamillion has always backed up honda, even as a owner of the altima i got a gut feeling he should have picked the accord haha no offense maxa