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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan


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Re: black book value? [danf1] by annek
Jun 11, 2005 (9:25 am)

Replying to: danf1 (Jun 11, 2005 7:33 am)

How common is it to get black book price from a private seller? Private seller won't budge from the true market value price. He's about 50 buck over blue book and about 100 bucks under TMV.
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Re: black book value? [annek] by danf1
Jun 11, 2005 (11:12 am)

Replying to: annek (Jun 11, 2005 9:25 am)

Private sellers can be strange. Many times they are driven by ego to price their cars. Typically they will sell for more than trade in value, but less than retail. These are mainly people who were not happy with the offer that they got from a dealer and are looking for more. If they won't budge off of their price, then they probably aren't the most motivated seller in the market.
 
Keep in mind that buying the least expensive example of any used vehicle is probably akin to buying the worst cared for car. A good detail can hide years of neglect. Sometimes paying a little more up front will save you a lot of aggravation down the road.
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Re: black book value? [danf1] by annek
Jun 11, 2005 (12:55 pm)

Replying to: danf1 (Jun 11, 2005 11:12 am)

That's a good point. I know he's so particular about the price because he cared for the car well and thinks it's worth every penny. Here's my question, though. does it make more sense to pay under market value for a brand new car (since the dealers are selling under invoice) or to pay right at market value for a good used car with low miles? (hard to find in toyota and hondas and I think the seller knows that). The new car salesman told me depreciation is not a factor on new cars right now since they are sold under invoice, but that is not true. they just have less depreciation.
 
I feel like I'm getting a better "deal" with the new one since they are under invoice and thus under true market value, however, this used car with low miles gives me a chance to get things I wouldn't pay for otherwise but that I like (spoiler). It has the advanced safety features like the side curtain airbags...also rare in a 2 or 3 year old model. I'd be saving about $3700 off the price of a new one. I know new cars depreciate most in first two years so that's why the general advice is to find a well-cared for car with low miles 2 or 3 years old. However with new prices so low, it's hard to figure out which way would be better in the end.
 
Opinions here?
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Re: black book value? [annek] by danf1
Jun 11, 2005 (2:24 pm)

Replying to: annek (Jun 11, 2005 12:55 pm)

For less than $4,000 I'd get a new one, but that's just how I think. Only you can answer which makes more sense to you. I don't see much value in a spoiler. Side air bags are a must in my opinion. That said, they aren't all that expensive on a new car, and with some manufacturers they are standard. Warranty is nice to have as well.
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Re: new car depreciation versus 2 year old model? [annek] by lmacmil
Jun 11, 2005 (3:39 pm)

Replying to: annek (Jun 11, 2005 6:49 am)

Have you got a firm price for a dealer for a new Accord at well under invoice? If you're not in a major metro area with multiple dealers, I'd be surprised if you could get that good a deal. If you can, then it's probably a better buy than the 2 yr old car.
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Re: black book value? [annek] by blane
Jun 11, 2005 (3:54 pm)

Replying to: annek (Jun 11, 2005 12:55 pm)

Ditto on getting the new Accord. That's what I'd do.
 
You didn't specify the mileage on the two-year-old Camry so it's difficult to evaluate the deal. Was it an "early" 2003? Or, was it made later in the model year? That should be part of your equation. It could be closer to a three-year old than a two-year old.
 
Have you seen all maintenance records? Has it been serviced by the Toyota dealer? Do they have computer records of all service and any areas of concern?
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Re: black book value? [blane] by annek
Jun 11, 2005 (9:45 pm)

Replying to: blane (Jun 11, 2005 3:54 pm)

It has 29,500 miles. Yes, I've seen maintenance records and yes it's been serviced by the dealer. no areas of concern. just routine maintenance due at 30 K miles.
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Re: black book value? [blane] by annek
Jun 11, 2005 (9:51 pm)

Replying to: blane (Jun 11, 2005 3:54 pm)

the seller is about $50 bucks above blue book and $100 less than Edmunds true market value price. I've heard the best deals or on cars 2 or 3 years old. However, with hondas selling below invoice, I don't know if that makes up for the typical depreciation one would face when first driving a new car off the lot. (I've always heard it's best to buy a car 2 or 3 years old with low miles if you can find one).
How is depreciation affected by the fact that new cars are selling for about 300 below invoice in my area? I looked at some formulas and it shows they are depreciating at about $3000 the first year. So wouldn't I save in the long run with the used car since the initial buyer had to take the hit in depreciation?
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Re: black book value? [annek] by lmacmil
Jun 12, 2005 (7:17 am)

Replying to: annek (Jun 11, 2005 9:51 pm)

"So wouldn't I save in the long run with the used car since the initial buyer had to take the hit in depreciation?"
 
It sounds like price is your primary consideration. If that's the case, then the '03 Camry is your best bet. That's clearly the cheaper alternative and if you don't really yearn for a brand new car, then no matter how good a deal the new car price is, it's going to be more expensive both in initial outlay and depreciation over any time period you want to use.
 
Look at the Edmunds "true cost to own" calculators to get a comparison.
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Re: black book value? [lmacmil] by annek
Jun 12, 2005 (8:33 am)

Replying to: lmacmil (Jun 12, 2005 7:17 am)

I looked at those and it seems the used car is cheaper in long run. It's just confusing, though, because the used car is right at True Market Value and from what I can tell, the Accord is almost $900 cheaper than True Market Value (300 below invoice). Of course, i guess TMV will change soon enough as the 06s come in. Am I crazy to not get a new accord for that much under TMV? Other people I've read have seen them at $1400 below invoice but that's not the case in Missouri.
 
My primary considerations are cost (both short-term and long-term) and reliability.
Of course, this is not exactly comparing apples and apples since the accord tends to retail for $500 more than the camry, right?
 
When I do true market value on the comprable 05 camry, it's about $300 under TMV. There was no option for spoiler (which the used one has) so I coudn't factor that in, though I think there is some curbside value to that.

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