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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread - READ ONLY
12297 messages, Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 12:55 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum.What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#4864 of 12297 Re: HP wars [scape2] by beantown
Jun 27, 2006 (10:44 am)
Replying to: scape2 (Jun 27, 2006 9:03 am)
I noticed in a few posts the drum of Honda/Toyota's lasting longer, being better quality, ect popping up again. I used to subscribe to that mentality. I have owned 3 domestics over the last 15 years and all have been just fine.. explain why Honda/Toyota group? Easy....if you bought a Camry 15 years ago, it would still most likely run just fine today. You, on the other hand, went domestic and purchased 3 cars over the same 15 years. Any car should be able to last 5 years without major problems.
I can comfortably say that more 1990-1991 Camrys and Accords are on the road today without having had major problems than "domestic" cars like the Taurus.
#4865 of 12297 Re: About the Passat and Even Jetta [leadfoot6] by bhmr59
Jun 27, 2006 (11:01 am)
Replying to: goodegg (Jun 27, 2006 10:30 am)
In my area the difference between 93 and 87 octane is typically 20 cents per gallon... sometimes a little higher or lower, but normally $.20. But your point about the annual cost can be valid depending on how many miles per year one drives. Yet, nearly everyone complains if the price goes up $.07 per gallon. Go figure. 
#4866 of 12297 Re: HP wars [beantown] by badgerfan
Jun 27, 2006 (11:07 am)
Replying to: beantown (Jun 27, 2006 10:44 am)
"I can comfortably say that more 1990-1991 Camrys and Accords are on the road today without having had major problems than "domestic" cars like the Taurus." And I can just as comfortably say that you have no proof of that statement, it is just your belief. If you have proof, please direct me to a web site that lists the percent of originally sold 1991 Camrys or Accords that are on the road vs any other brand.
I can be just as comfortable stating that while the Camcords no doubt are generally good vehicles, the reliability differences between them and the domestics have been blown way out of proportion, and the differences are narrowing year by year to the point where quality/reliability is nearly no longer a valid distinction between the major players.
#4867 of 12297 Let's avoid by pat
Jun 27, 2006 (11:18 am)
the sweeping generalizations that always seem to lead to trouble in this discussion.It would be good if we could talk specifics about specific vehicles ...
#4869 of 12297 Specifics by badgerfan
Jun 27, 2006 (11:28 am)
OK, specifics:While I realize that the number of posts in any Edmunds discussion holds up to no statistical signifance, it is very interesting to me that I have seen virtually no posts from any Fusion/Milan owners to date concerning any problems(there is not even a separate "problems" or "maintenance" Fusion discussion established yet).
The 2007 Camry has over 550 post already in the "2007 Camry Woes" discussion, mostly over a variety of transmission issues, both in the V-6 six speed automatic, and the I-4 five speed automatic, and it appears the problems are not just isolated to an initial "160 or so" that had a defective retaining ring installation problem.
This despite Fusion/Milan having been on the market for a lot longer than 2007 Camry has so far, and with presumably a lot more of them on the road.
- kdhspyder (Jun 28, 2006 8:03 am)
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#4870 of 12297 Re: HP wars [badgerfan] (honda) by autoboy16
Jun 27, 2006 (11:39 am)
Replying to: badgerfan (Jun 27, 2006 11:07 am)
It is listed on autotrader.com as a used car test. Unfortunatly there is no direct link to the page but there is some of the information. The info states from a direct cut and paste the awards of the 1994-1999 honda accord how many sold in the USA and the awards they have: 1994 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1993 through Sept. 1994
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 362,407
1995 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1994 through Sept. 1995
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 345,845
1996 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1995 through Sept. 1996
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 367,137
1997 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1996 through Sept. 1997
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 365,800
1998 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1997 through Sept. 1998
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 413,628
11. Awards and Commendations
1994
"Best Import Sedan" - MotorWeek (TV)
"Import Car of the Year" - MotorTrend
"Ten Best" - Car and Driver
1995
"Ten Best" - Car and Driver
1996
"Perfect Ten" (one of the most significant automobiles from the first ten years of Automobile magazine) - Automobile
"Best Loved Compact Car in America" - Strategic Vision
1998
"Ten Best" - Car and Driver
1999
"Ten Best" - Car and Driver
But what i can do is post this link for you. That link goes to the autotrader.com review page and if you click the bottom one for what i put (sorry you'll have to scroll) or any other, they have plenty of information for you, the good the bad and the ugly. I'll post about the camry within the hour.
- badgerfan (Jun 27, 2006 11:50 am)
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#4871 of 12297 Re: HP wars [badgerfan] (toyota) by autoboy16
Jun 27, 2006 (11:47 am)
Replying to: badgerfan (Jun 27, 2006 11:07 am)
The same thing for the honda goes here also. 1992 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1991 through Sept. 1992
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 262,531
1993 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1992 through Sept. 1993
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 284,751
1994 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1993 through Sept. 1994
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 347,912
1995 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1994 through Sept. 1995
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 317,786
1996 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1995 through Sept. 1996
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 352,053
1997 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1996 through Sept. 1997
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 383,187
1998 Model Year
Production Run: Oct. 1997 through Sept. 1998
Total Number Produced: n/a
Total No. Sold in U.S.: 398,548
11. Awards and Commendations
1992
"Ten Best Cars" - Car and Driver
"Import Car of the Year" - Automundo
"Family Car of the Year" (tie with Buick LeSabre) - Family Circle
"Best Buys" - Consumer's Digest
"Top Ten Models in Initial Quality" - J. D. Power and Associates
1993
"Ten Best Cars" - Car and Driver
"All-Star"- Automobile
"Family Car of the Year" - Family Circle Sedan Finalist
"Best Buys" - Consumers Digest
"Top Ten Models in Initial Quality" - J. D. Power and Associates
"Best Model in the $17,001 to $22,000 Price Class in Initial Quality" - J. D. Power and Associates
1994
"Ten Best Cars" - Car and Driver
"Family Car of the Year" - Family Circle Sedan Finalist
"Best Buys" - Consumer's Digest
"Top Ten Models in Initial Quality" - J. D. Power and Associates
"Best Overall Value - Subcompact/Compact Wagon Class Over $15,000" - IntelliChoice Complete Car Cost Guide
1996
"Best Buys" - Consumer's Digest
"Best of What's New" - Popular Science
1997
"Best Buys" - Consumer's Digest
"Best Family Sedan" - Consumer Reports
"Ten Best Cars" - Car and Driver
"All-Star"- Automobile
"Golden Wheel Award - Vehicle of the Year" - African Americans on Wheels
"1997 Total Quality Award - Compact Car" - Strategic Vision
"1997 Top Three Vehicles in Initial Quality - Premium Midsize Car Segment" - J. D. Power and Associates
Heres the link. It to has the good bad and ugly information also.
- njerald (Jun 27, 2006 11:55 am)
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#4872 of 12297 Re: HP wars [badgerfan] (honda) [autoboy16] by badgerfan
Jun 27, 2006 (11:50 am)
Replying to: autoboy16 (Jun 27, 2006 11:39 am)
You listed how many Accords were sold in the US for many model years, but nothing about how many are still on the road. Where is the information about what percent are still on the road for each model year, and compare it to others? Otherwise this information proves nothing.
#4873 of 12297 Re: HP wars [badgerfan] (toyota) [autoboy16] by njerald
Jun 27, 2006 (11:55 am)
Replying to: autoboy16 (Jun 27, 2006 11:47 am)
Ho Hum!!!!!!!!1
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