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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
Jun 07, 2006 (5:53 pm)
"I hear this quite often, but a friend and neighbor of mine bought their son a 1991 Accord back in 2001, so he would have a car while he was away at College. It had about 150,000 miles on it and the transmission was junk in 6 months. I think it's more about proper maintenance no matter what the vehicle brand is. Honda's will go bad just like the rest IMHO."
not quite true. Some cars definitely have ability to take more torture and still bounce back than some others. Like nissan car usually are weak from my experiences. Hondas, mercedez, bmw believe it or not even saabs can take torture pretty good even if u drive it like a ignorant fool. Toyota can take torture as well but thats because they make their cars drivable to a "limit" from ever getting to be driven too hard etc. Toyota cars definitely controls u and not the other way around. Mazdas as well can take torture pretty well with all the handling torture u give it
American cars, forget about it. All those cars i see on the highways stopping cuz their engines blew, usually american cars. And i know cuz i've helped a couple of them already
#3940 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [backy]
Jun 07, 2006 (5:58 pm)
The "JD Power initial quality survey" was made for cars with long term reliability problems. Cars don't usually have major problems right off the lot (90 days). How will it hold up after 10 years of hard driving. I know from experience that an Accord will last 12 years (180,000 miles) with less than $1,000 worth of repairs. Will a Sonata do that? Get back to me in 10 years.
#3941 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [elroy5]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:09 pm)
Sonata has scored well in numerous highly influenced reliablity reports.
And to your other point about repair costs - recently, as a matter of fact, few days ago, the Sonata takes home the award for the least amount of repair costs in the large car segement (Optima takes home the award in the midsize segment). Check Intellichoice 2006 Awards for more details.
Personally I've examined and worked on many older-gen Sonatas and they hold up quite well, defn. more than many people give them credit for. Ex: My neighbor has a 98 Sonata (one owner - over 130K miles) - the car has clean bill of health to my knowledge, like it was purchased from day one. By my calculation, it's coming up to its 9th year in ownership (purchased in '97). On the other hand, I've only examined/worked on a few Accords so I won't say anything I can't back up (but I have heard/read numerous engine problems/issues...)
#3942 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [joe97]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:28 pm)
I spend time on Accord forums, and they do have problems. But I would say 95% of the problems stem from 1.owner modifications done to the car (aftermarket crap), 2.abuse (it's amazing what some do to their own cars, or mom's car, for that matter), or 3.a total lack of maintenance. Yes, you can break something, if you try hard enough.
#3943 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [elroy5]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:37 pm)
I'd say both Accords and Sonatas are, for the most part, reliable cars (I'll go as far as to say they are two of the most reliable cars out there). While some owners will find their cars perfect throughout the ownership, others will have problems, literally from day one. The fact remains, perfection does not exists in any model. Accords and Sonatas are no exceptions but problems in those models exist less often than average.
#3944 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [elroy5]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:42 pm)
Elroy, please see post 3921.
I guess opinions like yours are exactly what kingsalmon had in mind.
It's also interesting to note that the first article I saw about the ratings headlined that Toyota lead the pack. Way down in the story it mentioned that "sleeper" Hyundai finished 3rd in name badges. Toyota did lead the pack with 11 of 19 categories when combined with Lexus results. Of course Lexus finished 2nd, right behind Porsche and Toyota was only slightly behind Hyundai. Honda was only 2 places and only a few "points" behind Toyota.
They survey shows that they are all good quality cars. Also, the survey said Hyundai finished in the mid-20's ranking until 2003 when it made huge a leap up.
With Toyota & Honda being so near the top, are you implying that their initial quality survey means they will have long term reliability problems. [Of course this survey was conducted months ago pitting brand new Hyundai models, Sonata & Azera in the mix, against established Toyota & Honda models before the '07 Camry with its tranny problems was introduced.]
The point of my post regarding the J D Power survey is that Sonata is in the top range in its class and has been for 3 or more years. All these non-luxury, family cars are good and none should be overlooked by someone considering a new car purchase. And uninformed people should not continually bash any make/model based on a brand's vehicle(s) of many years ago.
#3945 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [elroy5]
Jun 07, 2006 (6:52 pm)
Here are 5 posts from the last page of a Newer Accord forum (none are from mods):
1. I also recently bought a 2006 Accord with automatic V6 engine and have found that the shifting of the transmission is fairly noticeable and annoying at around 20 to 25 mph both when letting off the accelerator and when gradually applying the accelerator. If I accelerate moderately (or strongly), it's not as noticeable.
I have also noticed a vibration in the gas pedal at lower city speeds and a pull to the left when driving over 40 mph.
Anyone have ideas as to if these are common problems?
Seems to me from my OWN experience, with an '05 bought in August, and reading stuff here, that IT IS COMMON.
2. It seems that Honda has ALWAYS had issues with its transmission. It's been ALWAYS shifting more roughly than some other cars (its archrival Camry, for instance), though comparing my new '05 to my old '95 (both V6), there is quite an improvement...
And yes, I have also noticed some slight vibration at low speed, sometimes....
Pull to the left? That needs to be addressed by your dealer. But before that, have you checked your tires' air pressure?
3. I have a 04 Accord Ex with a CD Changer in the dash.The lighting for the radio and heater controls has failed and Honda says the radio must be replaced for $650. The radio and heater still work. The car is 2 years old with 65000 miles. Any suggestions?
4. I own a 05 Accord EX-V6. Seems like since the weather in jersey has been getting colder, the radio has been running very sluggish. When I'm flipping channels on the XM (which is great) and the radio, it moves very slowly through the channels and when the volume is increased. Did I get a junky battery or are other people noticing this problem?? In my old 00 EX-V6 I ran a 600 watt amp and never had a problem with the stock battery in any weather condition. Seems very strange to have this issue in a new car. Anyone have any input on this issue or have the same problem? I just don't want this problem to get worse and my car not starting or electrical issues.
5. I also just purchased a 2006 SE V6 ( for wife ) and noticed the rough downshift.....it feels as the brakes are on when decelerating not running freely.
According to the dealer that is normal for that tranny.
No vibration on my yet ?!
Also, car is pulling to the right and I am sure it is the crap Michelins Pilot HX MXM4....dealer is checking the wheel alignment this week and if that is not the problem he will replace the tires.
Other then this the car is great....very quiet....solid....no squeaks or rattles.
HP overrated at 244 HP.....my 330i feels so much faster !.....I know, I know it is the torque !
Nice try, though!!!!
#3946 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [elroy5]
Jun 07, 2006 (7:11 pm)
If you've driven your Accord for 12 years and 180K, and only spent $1K on repairs, it appears that you have scrimped on routine preventive maintenance which makes this an even more impressive stat. Routine replacement of the Accord's timing belt must make up some, or most, of that figure.
Although preventive maintenace, including the replacement of the timing belt, may not be viewed as a repair, in reality it is. A repair is anytime you open up an engine, or any component, to replace specific worn, or failed, parts or sub-assemblies.
#3947 of 12297 Re: J.D. Power 90 day owners' survey [explorerx4]
Jun 07, 2006 (7:31 pm)
when you are driving, do you think about side airbags?
As many redlight-runners that i see everyday driving to work/school, i certainly do!
#3948 of 12297 very impressed with hyundai
Jun 07, 2006 (10:38 pm)
beating toyota and honda? that's amazing. hyundai will gain more respect when the new santa and elantra comes out. hyundai is charging very hard, and honyota should beware.