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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#3821 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [scape2]
Jun 03, 2006 (7:16 pm)
I kind of feel like elroy on this particular subject, especially after being a repeat customer now. I like Accords, as well as Camrys (Camries?). I really can't stand the stylistic "wart" that comes on the new Camry (that bump on the hood/grill), but I know that is is one heck of an automobile, and if it offered more car for the money (quality included) than my Accord, I'd likely be in one right now.
Hey, I know you aren't a Honda hater, you just disagree with some of the Honda owners, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I happen to agree with a lot of picks on your list, but I'd have to remove the Maxima, Jetta (looks like a Corolla to me), and Charger, and replace them with something like an S2000, Audi A8, and BMW 330Ci (old model 1999-2005).
Have a good sunday, folks. I'm outta here!
#3822 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [elroy5]
Jun 03, 2006 (7:16 pm)
When I decided to replace my old Accord, it was going to be with a new Accord, even if it looked like an Aztec.
Now that's brand loyalty!
#3824 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [backy]
Jun 03, 2006 (10:26 pm)
Now that's brand loyalty!
Wow... it may be more than just brand loyalty. I'm on my second Accord and love them both but an Aztek?? I think I would have to draw the line at that point.
#3825 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [elroy5]
Jun 04, 2006 (3:38 am)
My opinion is... I'll bet you wouldn't even consider it at that point., regardless of your brand loyalty.
#3826 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [elroy5]
Jun 04, 2006 (5:00 am)
People don't buy Accords for their looks. They buy them for what is under the hood
I never met an Accord owner that bought for the engine.
Accord and Camry owners are mostly "defensive buyers". They buy the entire package, and the nameplate. Instead of buying a car with beautiful styling, they buy one that's not ugly. Instead of buying one with a sweet mechanicals, they buy one that won't fall apart. People absolutely hate unreliable cars, and will pay big bucks for the just the perception and reputation of reliability. Luckily, for the most part, they get what they pay for!
If Accord and Camry would start making their engines from pot metal for 2008, and started crumbling by the thousands, people would still line up to buy them because of their reputation. It's obvious that people are creatures of great loyalty and faith.
Having said that, I agree the Accord's engine is wonderful. But so is the Camry's, and the Altima's. And the Sonata's 3.3 Lambda V6 is quickly proving it's worthy to join that elite group.
#3827 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [bobad]
Jun 04, 2006 (6:08 am)
Instead of buying one with a sweet mechanicals, they buy one that won't fall apart.
I think I got both, thank you very much.
The Accord I-4 has been renowned as one of, if not the best 4-cylinder engines mass produced. It is smoother than many V-6s, and produces plenty of power for the MPG it delivers. One the "won't fall apart" front, I have kept my 1996, which is living proof of what you stated...it still runs, and very smoothly, I might add. It is still buzz free up to 4,000 RPM, and only then does it get a little boomy. It's solid though, like you said, and I feel like we DO get what we pay for (again, just like you said)
The window sticker on my 1996 LX Accord lists the price at $19k, with my EX being $23,800 (sticker, not what we actually paid). Considering how much improved these cars are from ten years ago, and how the price really hasn't changed much despite the ever rising cost of most products, I'd say my car was a better deal now in 2006 than the old 1996 sitting in the driveway.
#3828 of 12297 Re: honda desingers got style [choe13]
Jun 04, 2006 (6:31 am)
Honda needs some new artists
Yea - I agree the 06 Accord's design has aged beyond it's appeal - I do love the Carbon Bronze color tho!
Honda's redesign of the Accord for 08 seems like ages away considering every other car in this comparo has been redone to take into account all the changes since 2001 (about when the 2003-7 Accord was born). The Sports4 concept of the new Accord looks beautiful - but kinda looks like a big Civic. May be a little too sleek for this class, but the world is changing.
#3829 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [bobad]
Jun 04, 2006 (6:56 am)
I know people try to speak for others but I'm not sure it is really possible. Opinions are fine, however, so I'll share mine as an actual Accord owner.
I'm one of those owners who is loyal because of my experiences. I owned a Nissan (Datsun at the time) and a Toyota. The Datsun had a major issue after 5 years and I've never given Nissan much thought after that. Short-sighted? Maybe, but it's my choice based on my experience.
I bought a new Accord in 95 because I felt that I got more for the money over the Camry. Everything I read at the time confirmed that. Actually, I went back and forth between the Accord and the Mazda 626. It just turned 213,000 miles so I can't complain at all.
That was a major reason why I bought the 06 Accord a few months ago. However, I also liked how it looked. And my opinion (that seems to be shared by many) is that the interior is superb.
I'm in a lot of rental cars and Hyundai, Chevy, Kia, Dodge, and Toyota don't impress me at all. The Camry comes closer than the others though.
Now if I didn't have a family, I'd certainly be looking at other options. I wasn't buying Accords when I was young and single. In fact, it almost killed me to buy something with 4 doors in 95! However, at this stage in my life, I'm quite content. Time will tell if this car will hold up as well as the old one but I'm willing to take that chance.
#3830 of 12297 Re: I would tend to agree on Honda/Toyota [tallman1]
Jun 04, 2006 (7:18 am)
Time will tell if this car will hold up as well as the old one but I'm willing to take that chance
Pretty darn good odds of that!
The Accord interior is TOPS in this class. I think the exterior does need new life tho. Almost Paddles! Clear!