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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan

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#3137 of 12297 mazda 6 makes top 10 cars for under 50K by zzzoom6

Apr 30, 2006 (9:44 pm)

Esquire's 10 most awesome autos
 
05:00 PM CDT on Sunday, April 30, 2006
 
Everybody has a best cars or best trucks list these days. But the one in the May issue of Esquire magazine is more eclectic than most. Here are the best cars under $50,000 in Esquire's view, in no particular order:
 
Chevrolet Corvette ($44,490): "Ten pounds of awesome in a five-pound bag."
 
Mazda 6 ($19,670): "This is the kind of car you name and keep driving long after it's paid for."
 
BMW 3-Series ($30,900 to $44,900): "Some of the most joyful, nuanced driving anywhere."
 
Audi A3 3.2 DSG ($34,700): "Take a smallish family car and stuff it with a big ol' motor."
 
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution ($29,149): "You'll live The Fast and the Furious every time you turn the key."
 
Ford F-150 ($19,640 to $37,005): "Not many people really need a pickup, but plenty of them still want an F-150."
 
Infiniti G35 coupe ($33,200): "A G35 parked in your driveway raises your neighbors' property values."
 
Lotus Elise ($42,990): "It's a scalpel in a room full of sledgehammers."
 
Subaru Legacy GT ($28,795): "A ninja in a business suit."
 
Chrysler 300C SRT8 ($42,695): "An addictive combination of American power and German chassis finesse."
 
Terry Box

#3138 of 12297 Re: next couple of years means two? [joe97] by kdhspyder

Apr 30, 2006 (10:19 pm)

Replying to: joe97 (Apr 30, 2006 2:43 pm)
I can tell you as much as Hyundai is not giving Sonatas away, and a good amount of profit is made on each car sold. Hyundai is not just a car company - FYI, they are a conglomerate
 
You have proved nothing by stating it again. Saying over and over again doesnt make it true. But what you said later is more likely the truth. Hyundai has huge resources ( including the probably the Korean govt ) so losses on the US auto business mean very little to the larger corporation.... except that it's embarrassing that such a high tech company with such an excellent product has to 'beg for business' with massive gifts to the US buyer.
 
Here is reality: I posted a cost comparison back a few days ago with some costs and selling prices and 'profits' which were admittedly grossly estimated but which showed how much difference in profit Toyota and Honda make on the vehicles. I made a wild guess of $8000, which is too high.
 
A following poster made a more detailed post showing that Toyota and Honda trail Nissan somewhat but each makes about $1500 profit on a vehicle. Here's the logic: if the two best producers in the US make only $1500 profit per vehicle but sell $6000 higher in price than Hyundai then Hyundai is losing about $4500 on every vehicle it sells.
 
Please no more about making a profit on Hyundai's made here in the US. The plant is still on it's learning curve; it is not up to capacity so likely it isn't covering it's fixed costs yet; it has some ways to go to be as efficient as it's three main rivals.
 
'half the workers of a typical plant' means of a Big 3 plant not an other transplant. The Ala plant is still a baby learning to stand up. The Georgetown, Marysville and Smyrna plants are professional athletes with 10+ yrs of experience. Please be logical.
 
Making huge losses is OK with a company the size of Hyundai in order to win market share. It's embarrassing but it's understandable.

#3139 of 12297 Re: next couple of years means two? [kdhspyder] by dontbe

May 01, 2006 (1:46 am)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 30, 2006 10:19 pm)
Don't be ridiculous.
Finding costs is not an easy job even for a field expert. and don't believe that your guess is right.
 
Do you happen to know how efficient a new automobile plant can be compared to an old plant? the answer is a lot. Don't calculate with your biased information.

#3140 of 12297 Re: next couple of years means two? [kdhspyder] by bobad

May 01, 2006 (4:24 am)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 30, 2006 10:19 pm)
Please no more about making a profit on Hyundai's made here in the US. The plant is still on it's learning curve; it is not up to capacity
 
That plant has been running full tilt for nearly 1-1/2 years. It may be the most automated plant of its kind in the world. The plant was designed and built specifically to turn out cars that match the competition in quality, but at a much lower cost. Robots work cheap, and do not call in sick. Build quality from the Montgomery plant is excellent by all accounts, and has been right from the start. Those are the facts. The statement "The Ala plant is still a baby learning to stand up" was dreamed up in a vivid imagination. It's pure conjecture, and pretty amusing actually.

#3141 of 12297 Hyundai Management/Finances by fsowirles

May 01, 2006 (4:54 am)

Replying to: bobad (May 01, 2006 4:24 am)
I don't see this being addressed. Anyone concerned about the scandal and jailing of the Chairman, Chung Mong Koo. How about if you buy a Hyundai, you are potentially funding the North Koreans?
 
I don't mean to make this a political thing, but it isn't looking good.

#3142 of 12297 Re: americans [choe13] by fsowirles

May 01, 2006 (5:00 am)

Replying to: choe13 (Apr 30, 2006 9:14 pm)
Americans can't understand about six sigma
 
This green belt would disagree. It was an American company that I worked at when I began my Six Sigma program (Andrew Corporation) and worked under Master Black belts on many projects. Many companies are moving in that direction, and the Fed is doing it as well. There are even references to requirements in Federal solicitations for certain positions to have a certain level of Six Sig to qualify (pre-requisite). Let us not forget that is was created by Motorola (an American company) and has been adopted by the likes of Ford, Caterpillar, Microsoft, Raytheon, Quest Diagnostics, Seagate Technology, Siemens, Merrill Lynch, Lear, 3M and many more.

#3143 of 12297 Re: Hyundai Management/Finances [fsowirles] by pat

May 01, 2006 (5:17 am)

Replying to: fsowirles (May 01, 2006 4:54 am)
This is not the right place to address that issue. Try the Automotive News & Views board. If there isn't an appropriate discussion underway, feel free to start a new one.

#3144 of 12297 Cars by pat

May 01, 2006 (5:19 am)

Folks, we're comparing the actual cars here. I understand that some of these other issues are bound to come up, but there is a whole board dedicated to those conversations. See the link in my post just prior to this one.
 
Let's stick to comparing the features and attributes of the individual cars here - that's what we're here for.

#3145 of 12297 fsowirles by choe13

May 01, 2006 (5:52 am)

six sigma was created by an american company motorola?
 
where in heavens are did you get this info? first motorola is not even an american company, its scandanavian and second the it was a japanese company that created this quality assurance testing method.
 
And yes after a while now usa companies have finally tried to implemented in their autos.
 
The koreans have actually created their own version of six sigma some years ago(infracture for internet, samsung, hyundai), which actually goes ahead a step or two of the six sigma
 
And lastly kdhspyder, you amaze me sometime with your ability to act like you know. The alabama plant is one of the highest tech plant in the world. Everything is alot more automated, the machines are still considered all brand new, so it doesn't take a genius to press a button(plus the employees are half korean professionals plus european engineers etc, and the other half are highly qualified americans, some even probably former hondayota, gm employees). It also has one of the best painting shops for a plant.

#3146 of 12297 Sonatas changes for 07,08 update by choe13

May 01, 2006 (6:02 am)

The full black interior shown, is said to make its way to the NA market and it could be an option or std for all sonatas from a auto korean article. In korea the black upgraded interior(a little bit more fancy attention to detail on buttons etc), are not common mostly on limited edition sonatas.
 
There will be some more color options too, in addition to nav system, active geometry suspension option, more silver chromings above the bumpers of the doors and all around, more std options even on base( i can't imagine what more they can give the public on the base)

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