Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#3092 of 12297 Re: What's the big deal with Accord's V6? [elroy5]
Apr 30, 2006 (10:36 am)
I agree with you on Honda engine technology. After all, Honda is primarily an engine company, who just happens to make cars, and other consumer products. That being said, I get 26MPG on my 1994 Dodge Grand Caravan ES (3.3L OHV V6) with the A/C on during the summer on trips. No too shabby for an old minivan with over 160K on the clock - and, the original 4-speed ECT I might add.
Oh, and the "slated H thing" mentioned by a previous poster when discussing the "cons" of the Sonata, I believe it's supposed to represent the company (Hyundai) and a customer shaking hands. At least it implies more than just the first letter of the name of the company. And for that matter, what the heck is Toyota's and Mazda's current logos supposed to represent?
Apr 30, 2006 (10:45 am)
please comment about the accords brakes, its that good right?
and not that i'm bashing honda because their engines are meant to be on the efficient side, but as in more power and alot of technical aspects the new nissan engines are better. The new VQ series engines pull so smoothly and faster , the accord feels slow and trying.
#3094 of 12297 Wall of testimony
Apr 30, 2006 (10:47 am)
I was a bit startled to see at my Honda dealership the wall of unsolicited notes, letters and email documenting so many 3-20 year old Honda vehicles that had between 100,000 and 500,000 miles and the absolute delight of their owners. That kind of quality/reliability/value correspondence from customers is almost impossible to duplicate with any other auto company. The wall is full of the testimony of customers about the Hondas and the dealership that can't be bought. I noted that in the notes that many of the Hondas were on their 3rd and 4th owner. No wonder the Hondas/Acuras in the used car department were so much higher priced than the other car makes. SUCCESS breeds SUCCESS and for at least now Honda seems to have the "right stuff." I would imagine that the Toyota dealership has the same type of wall.
#3095 of 12297 Re: next couple of years means two? [joe97]
Apr 30, 2006 (10:52 am)
Styling is very subjective, and the slanted H has a lot of meanings, which I just read from another forum. Personally, I like it better than the boxy H.
Funny thing is, I see Hyundai's all over with "Boxy" H license plates on the front of them (trying to fool people). But I have yet to see a Honda with a "slanted H" symbol on it. I don't think it has ever happened. No one with a Honda, is trying to impersonate a Hyundai driver.
#3096 of 12297 sonatas faults are?
Apr 30, 2006 (10:55 am)
design?? its one of the best looking mid size out
noise coming from the gas? what are you talking about, this is what i mean nitpicking
The slanted "h" emblem?? very illogical comment about not likeing a car
#3097 of 12297 the azera
Apr 30, 2006 (10:58 am)
saw a black one yesterday and i think this car has the best bad led , its so bright. The design is also flawless, two of my buddies were like did you see that new mercedez, no new infinity? but it was the new azera
hyundai understands the art of desining cars exteriorly(european expertise)
#3098 of 12297 Sonata Discussions
Apr 30, 2006 (11:11 am)
All these discussions about the Sonata, despite mostly being nothing but bashful, puts everything in perspective about the attention the Sonata and Hyundai have gotten these past few years, and the vast improvement at a pace not many people would have thought years ago. Ironic, isn't it
Apr 30, 2006 (12:16 pm)
The sonata is not a perfect mid size sedan, but it does not have faults major enough to disappoint the consumer
Who's to say? Every consumer is different. I was car shopping, and plan on keeping my car a long time. The interior of the Accord feels like it will stand the test of time in both design and quality. I could say neither about the Sonata, and that WAS enough to point me away from a V6 Sonata and into an I-4 Accord for similar $ (I could've gotten either).
#3100 of 12297 Re: The Accord [elroy5]
Apr 30, 2006 (12:27 pm)
American cars, when they all were built in the USA, changed model years periodically and they kept some model names for a long, long time. When was the first Impala ..1958? The BelAire was the same car at a different trim level, just like Accord LX, EX & whatever. Ford has had Fairlane's & 500's off and on for decades. Chrysler has had the LeBaron & New Yorker. (Watch for a Newport in the next few years.) Years ago car manufacturers differentiated by by model name, now they uses trim levels...GTC, GTX, EX, LX, etc.
The first Accords were junk. I was at a pro Golf Tourney in Hartford when the Acura first came out. I forget the year (maybe about 1986) but think the month was August. There was a rain delay. We went to the vendors' tent to see the displays. The guy at the "brand new Acura" booth told us that Honda did market research and found the Americans would not pay, maybe it was $13,000, for a Honda but they might pay that amount for an up scale Japanese car. Bingo! No up scale Honda. The Acura was born.
Several years later people were still buying Acura's not realizing they had a Honda. Some were vehement that they did not have a Honda...until challenged to open the hood and saw "Honda" on the engine.
#3101 of 12297 Nameplate Engineering
Apr 30, 2006 (12:32 pm)
If you went to Japan until just recently, there were no Acura models- they were all just badged the "Honda Legend" or whatever. Likewise, the Lexus brand was only recently introduced in Japan- they had many of the same models (maybe not the SUV's with gasoline at $6/gallon in Japan going way back), but just called them Toyotas. Just shows what lengths the Asian manufacturers will do to crack the foreign markets. Very export driven and it works.